Insulted key worker wage rises don't include nurses

[nowayhose]

Just what it says really, I'm insulted that police/ fire service/ paramedics are all getting a descent wage rise as recognition for their above and beyond efforts during Cornavirus pandemic, but nurses get bugger all as they're still in the process of getting the 3 year gradual wage increase. (even after this 3 year incremental wage increase, nurses pay will be well below what the other emergency services get)

Both the police, fire and paramedic crews get better wages for putting themselves at risk and shouldering huge levels of responsibilities, so why not the NHS staff and key workers??

The announcement of normal increases to standard pay ranges is literally nothing to do with this, although the government wants you to believe it is.

Can you reference where you've found that paramedics in particular are getting a rise? Last I checked they also fell under the same 3 year agenda for change pay deal as the rest of the NHS.

@ Belowwreck

No, they gave themselves an above inflation 3.1% from 1st April 2020, THEN they gave themselves £10,000 EXTRA to help them work from home

employeebenefits.co.uk/mps-basic-pay-3-1-april-2020/

www.politicshome.com/news/article/mps-given-10000-extra-to-help-them-work-from-home-during-coronavirus-outbreak

Have a look for yourself..................

I'm well aware, but you didn't say the £10k was to help with office setup etc, you said it was a payrise.

Look, it's shit. But we've got a Tory Government and as has been patiently explajned several times, this payrise was previously agreed and not all that it seems.

Apologies, I didn't mean that all key workers and NHS staff should all get the same wages, just the same % of an increase.

I know the pandemic has shocked everyone and things have changed dramatically for everyone. And I don't mean to imply that only the NHS have been overworked and underpaid either.

I'm just so disheartened to see that even after all we've been through and gone not just the 'extra mile' or 'over and above' but the 'extra 20 miles' and ' over and above again and again', that for some people, it's still not worth paying for, it's just 'expected'

@ Yankathebear

Sadly, you're so right............

@ 3littlemonkeys82

Apologies, I realise I was wrong, however it's true that paramedics get a better deal than nurses as....

''You'll move up to Band 6 (£31,365 and £37,890) after two years following a newly qualified paramedic pathway.''

Newly qualified nurses DON'T move up to a Band 6 after 2 years, and yet they are still expected to take charge of wards/ clinical areas, mentor junior staff, train students, support and supervise as well as be cascade trainers and key trainers for all training requirements in their areas, but they are often stuck on Band 5 forever due to few Band 6 posts becoming available in hospital settings .

If nurses were to get to progress to Band 6 wages to match their responsibilities, I wouldn't be moaning

All government,s spin pay rises , years ago before agenda for change ,I remember the Labour government saying that they were giving Nurses a 9% pay rise ,I think it was, it turned out they were actually giving grade E Staff nurses a 9% pay rise when they reached the top of their pay grade What they didn't mention was it took 6years to get to the top of the pay grade ,grade D and E was roughly band 5

Firstly, the increases are nothing to do with coronavirus, they were already proposed before the pandemic hit. The government have just put that spin on it.

Secondly, nurses are subject to a different negotiation and thus a different pay deal, which they are already in the middle of. They will renegotiate next year.

This table explains the issues

@nowayhose

It's so demoralising

We're getting ready for another potential wave of Coronavirus...........and feeling demoralised and demotivated and thoroughly angry that we're being shafted financially yet again..................and we're all supposed to be A OK with it
Why can't ALL the emergency workers get the same wage increase and ALL the key workers get the same too ????

Because neither the government ( who all granted themselves a nice £10,000 extra for the changes they had to make to work from home) nor the public (who have said crap like 'well, you signed up for this!' ) have our back, yet they expect US to have THEIR backs when the bloody chips are down and the pandemic looms large)

Quite frankly, F**K that !!

I, for one, do not plan to stay in the NHS to get screwed over at the expense of my health, finances and mental health..............and I'm definitely NOT alone in feeling like this.

They didn't. They were allowed a temporary increase in their expenses to cover the cost of working from home. Very few have used it at all. It was intended for the duration of lockdown, as requests for expense submissions outside of the existing parameters couldn't be dealt with, and arguably MPs needed to be contactable then more than ever.

Also, police and fire service continually put themselves at risk of very serious harm, it isn't a short lived thing during a pandemic.

Firefighters are paid a shockingly low wage for the conditions and nature of the job.

These rises were agreed and published prior to covid, but have been spun to make it seem as some sort of reward, it isn't. Other people have worked hard too during the pandemic, you aren't being unreasonable to think more pay is fair, but you are to begrudge it to others. The £10k was to facilitate their low paid assistants to be able to work from home if needed (many didn't claim anything) by the way. I'm sure the many people who have had zero income and have lost their jobs would be delighted to pitch in for your payrise whilst they worry about putting food on the table and keeping a roof over their head.

Private sector workplaces five between 1.5 and 2.5 every year

Are these the same private sector employees who get huge bonuses & all earn 6 figures? Cause you know that's not all private sector workers.

It’s because the media/government are pretending it’s got anything to do with coronavirus and actually it’s just the pay award for groups who aren’t already covered by an existing deal. The local government pay award for this year since April still hasn’t been agreed yet never mind anything further ahead but of course it’s only nurses that people care about. Schools have also been told the teachers’ deal must come from their existing budgets.

I work in the private sector and we are Getting 0% this year. I’m grateful to just have a job though.

Well you have free will. If you don’t think you are paid enough for the work and responsibilities you have you can move to another industry.
The thing is do you have the skills/qualifications to be an accountant/plumber/teacher/hairdresser? More to the point will there be any jobs when the economy has tanked?
It’s difficult when you are working hard and feel unappreciated but your job is probably more safe than many.

Firefighters aren't included either. We are still waiting to hear if we will get our usual 1% a year.

Most nurses are not on Covid wards and have had a lighter workload with the shocking abandonment of patients with other ailments.

It's from existing budgets OP, which as you'll know are threadbare as it is, and so it won't happen. Except it'll be the Head's fault that they can't give the payrise that the nice Mr Sunak said they could have because they've spent all the money on paper and heating the building

@lifeafter50 what are you basing this on?

Nurses get paid shit in UK. I make 3 times more for the same job that my colleagues do in UK.It's absolutely disgraceful

@5amonSunday

I’ll be honest I know quite a few nurses and they are on a far greater wage than me. Band 5/6+ are not the poorly paid workers people think.

24k for a high stress graduate job isn't much. It's not low pay, but it's not fair wage for the skill and stress involved.

The payrises last year barely covered a decade of inflation, and the new structure saw some higher grades getting a pay cut. It was an awful deal after years of frozen pay and I was bitterly disappointed in my union.

Band 5/6 are on more than £24k a year. Band 5 is between £27K rising to £33K a year.

Plus NHS staff get a brilliant pensions scheme, there are a lot of enhancements for shift work which does bring take home pay up by a lot and enhancements are even paid if the staff member is off sick. Another benefit is that staff get 6 months full pay and 6 months half pay for sickness and between 27-33 days annual leave and bank holidays per year.

Not saying that nurses don't deserve good money - but if you look at what carers get who travel to their client's houses it's shocking and they don't get all the other benefits.

Link to pay scales.: www.nhsemployers.org/pay-pensions-and-reward/agenda-for-change/pay-scales/annual

@BBCONEANDTWO You can see on your own link B5s start at 24k. They get 27k after 4 years experience. 10 years ago when I qualified it was 21k and had been for some time, so the payrise is barely in line with inflation.

We get good benefits, although the pension scheme isn't nearly as good as it was previously. Benefits don't mean that we are fairly paid for the pressure and responsibility of what we do, especially as nurses graduating now will have a student loan to pay off for the privilege of doing 10000 unpaid practice hours during their training.

but if you look at what carers get who travel to their client's houses it's shocking and they don't get all the other benefits.

Agreed. But that's the problem with our system of privatised care.

It is a difficult one in that there are currently thousands of people across the country being made redundant (depsite the money the government ploughed into furlough) and I dont envy their prospect of finding another job anytime soon. It seems very unfair that some people have lost everything and don't know how they are going to pay the mortgage or put food on the table all because they were ordered to stay at home and protect the NHS when the government is then rewarding others with a nice salary increase. Nobody asked for the position they found themselves in.