Insulted key worker wage rises don't include nurses

[nowayhose]

Just what it says really, I'm insulted that police/ fire service/ paramedics are all getting a descent wage rise as recognition for their above and beyond efforts during Cornavirus pandemic, but nurses get bugger all as they're still in the process of getting the 3 year gradual wage increase. (even after this 3 year incremental wage increase, nurses pay will be well below what the other emergency services get)

And ... sorry ... IT? Don't make me fucking laugh. that is not a 'profession

Just repeating that so that everyone can witness the ignorance of teachers for themselves. I know far more of teaching - and far too much of teachers - than you clearly do of the bedrock of communications.

@Pepperwort

And ... sorry ... IT? Don't make me fucking laugh. that is not a 'profession

Just repeating that so that everyone can witness the ignorance of teachers for themselves. I know far more of teaching - and far too much of teachers - than you clearly do of the bedrock of communications.

Oh shush. You think having to plan some phonics activities, assess them and report back equates to a full time teaching job? You're in cloud cuckoo land and clearly have no idea. The only one who is displaying her ignorance here is you. IT is not and never has been a 'profession'. You're being ridiculous.

She now earns upwards of £90K a year, admittedly in London. There is money in the system, it's just that we don't value our public sector employees - particularly nurses and care workers enough to reward them properly.

That's pretty unusual though, only about 155 thousand women earn more than 100k.

@burninh

She now earns upwards of £90K a year, admittedly in London. There is money in the system, it's just that we don't value our public sector employees - particularly nurses and care workers enough to reward them properly.

That's pretty unusual though, only about 155 thousand women earn more than 100k.

It was an illustration though that there is money in the private sector. I'm very proud of her but definitely think I chose the wrong profession. She started as an unpaid intern and due to diversity and new transparency in equal pay she has progressed very quickly and been rewarded for it.

I didn't realise posters has denied there was money in the private sector. But how does the country afford to pay the equivalent for nurses, care workers etc?

I left the private sector for public. Yes big salary difference however I now have a much better work/life balance, actually get paid overtime & much better pension. Crucially I have more job security, it's quite difficult to hold onto a well paid job in the private sector, if you lose one it can often be hard to get a similar role.

Lots of posters have claimed that wages are low for everyone and that it quite clearly not the case. In a civilised society, the people doing important work such as caring for the elderly and infirm should be properly rewarded for their work.

Average wages are probably similar for public & private employees. Of course you get high salaries in the private sector but there are some in the public sector too. My friend is a deputy head on 79k. My other friend is a GP on 45k for 2 days a week

I don't disagree that some should be paid more but how do we fund it?

@Myothercarisalsoshit

No-ones saying wages are low for everyone, just that nurses aren't badly paid comparatively and certainly not a 'poverty wage'. The average nurses salary is above the national average salary.

Average RN salary in UK: £24, 966
Average salary in UK: £29,009
that's quite a big difference sister

@burninh

Average wages are probably similar for public & private employees. Of course you get high salaries in the private sector but there are some in the public sector too. My friend is a deputy head on 79k. My other friend is a GP on 45k for 2 days a week

I don't disagree that some should be paid more but how do we fund it?

Yes that's the issue. Some salaries in the public sector are high and drag the averages up. Deputy heads and GPs should earn a salary commensurate with their training and expertise but is a Deputy Head worth £40,000 more than a teacher with 20 years experience on the upper pay scale who takes on lots of extra responsibilities? Similarly, managers and owners of private care homes make a lot of money but who's doing the actual work? It could be more equitable.

Myothercarisshit You are also beautifully demonstrating the minimising, arrogant and patronising attitude of a typically middle class and therefore very entitled sector. Do keep it up.

For most jobs your better off in the public sector it's only really the top 1% of the private sector that pulls far ahead.

And from the IFS

In 2018, the vast majority (86%) of public sector workers received (implicit) employer pension contributions worth at least 10% of their earnings compared with only a small minority (10%) of private sector workers. Almost a quarter of public sector employees (23%) received employer pension contributions worth at least 20% of their earnings; this
compared to just 2% of private sector employees.

@Pepperwort

Myothercarisshit You are also beautifully demonstrating the minimising, arrogant and patronising attitude of a typically middle class and therefore very entitled sector. Do keep it up.

Oh dear. I'm sorry you feel like I was minimising your contribution. I realise that you genuinely felt that by teaching a phonics group you were doing the job of a teacher for a third of the pay but it's just not true. Sometimes we get TAs who resent teachers because they just don't see all the hours that go into fulfilling our role. Generally because they're already at home by 4PM whilst we're still in school at 6.30 before going home then starting again! You're obviously one of those. Want to be a teacher? Come and join us! There's a recruitment crisis! And ... middle class? My Mum was a cleaner and then a carer. She worked hard every day for peanuts.

To clarify IT is not a profession as such. It is of course a vast sector, encompassing many different realms of knowledge and many different professional paths. If you stop progressing in it then you leave and you won’t get back in. Promise I won’t derail any more, I’m off to bed.

Some salaries in the public sector are high and drag the averages up.

No it's the very high salaries in the private sector that skew the private sectors averages. There are less lower paid workers in the public sector hence why I said most are better off working in it particularly outside of London.

@burninh

For most jobs your better off in the public sector it's only really the top 1% of the private sector that pulls far ahead.

And from the IFS

In 2018, the vast majority (86%) of public sector workers received (implicit) employer pension contributions worth at least 10% of their earnings compared with only a small minority (10%) of private sector workers. Almost a quarter of public sector employees (23%) received employer pension contributions worth at least 20% of their earnings; this
compared to just 2% of private sector employees.

Yes I agree. Pension contributions are far too low in the private sector. Everyone should have access to a decent pension.

But again how do you fund it?

@Myothercarisalsoshit

Would you just look properly before stating untruths FFS? £24,907 is STARTING salary for brand new newly qualified nurses at the bottom of band 5.

Average nursing salary is somewhere between 33-35k a year. Here are the pay scales. A nurse just going through increments at band 5 will earn more than the uk average wage within 6 years. Many are promoted to higher bands before that.

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.nurses.co.uk/careers-hub/nursing-pay-guide/&ved=2ahUKEwifh8jAuOTqAhXRRhUIHVd4DfAQFjAJegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw2iWsODrovv1VRSOdEwFrrB" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.nurses.co.uk/careers-hub/nursing-pay-guide/&ved=2ahUKEwifh8jAuOTqAhXRRhUIHVd4DfAQFjAJegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw2iWsODrovv1VRSOdEwFrrB

I got it from here sister. Is it wrong then?
www.payscale.com/research/UK/Job=Registered_Nurse_(RN)/Salary

@burninh

But again how do you fund it?

Well ... It should be beholden on private sector companies to adequately provide for their employess pensions.

@Myothercarisalsoshit

Yes it is wrong. That's some random site that I don't even know what it's supposed to be. I just linked you the ACTUAL pay scales. Did you even look?

Yes I looked.
Where would a recently graduated nurse start?
How often would you receive increments?

@Myothercarisalsoshit

Newly qualified nurses start on just shy of 25k, under the current system it rises each year for four years, top of band 5 is £30615. With the old system it took 7 years to reach the top. So the 3 year pay deal was good for newly qualified nurses as it nearly halved the time that it would take to get to the top of the band.

@Myothercarisalsoshit

Just look at it! Did you say you're a teacher?

I told you, recently graduated nurse is bottom band 5 £24,907. I won't repeat it again. You see the yearly increments after that if you stay at band 5. If you don't ever get a band 6 job (promotion), the max you will earn is the top of band 5 which you can see on the scale.

Most nurses I know get a band 6 job within a year or 2 of qualifying so then jump up to £31,365 and increments after that. If you never get a band 7 job (promotion) the max you will earn is top of band 6.

Then there are other bands after that. It's all there and really easy to understand.