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AIBU to not trust my gut on man I'm dating?

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StartingAgain33 · 22/07/2020 14:56

I've been dating someone for three months. He's thoughtful, intelligent, successful, wants the same things in life as me and has made it clear that he sees a future with me (as much as someone can in such a short space of time). He also has literally built my dream life and is inviting me to be a part of it. But my gut keeps telling me to run away, and my therapist says that one of my key challenges is learning to tune into and act on my gut. I'm obsessing and would love your thoughts.

I worry I'm focusing on the negatives too much. I'm about to be 36, keen to have children and tired of being in a dating pool with guys that either don't have their shit together and so by default aren't ready for kids, or who are emotionally avoidant and not willing to put their cards on the table. This guy is neither of those things, and is up for doing the work of a real relationship. So I worry this is just my commitment issues - and potentially anxiety at having met someone so amazing - coming to the fore. What would you think?

Good things:

  • He is open about wanting to settle down, feeling ready for children (a priority for me), about having done the necessary work to get to this point with a therapist (he went to boarding school from a young age and was very starved of love - so had a very avoidant dating pattern). He had one 18 month relationship which ended last year which he said went a long way to healing some of his commitment issues. However, he never loved her and they broke it off as they both felt (I think it was more that he felt) that what they had wasn't 'enough'. This was after they had moved in together to test the relationship (I kind of think you should know if you love someone before making that move, and wonder how much anxiety she was hiding?)
  • He is very successful and leads a really great life. He's open and generous with this life - introducing me to friends and family, making fun trips happen all the time
  • His future vision is the same as mine to an uncanny degree
  • He's not afraid to challenge me and be honest about things, something which I find difficult (I have an anxious attachment pattern)
  • Seems to have a realistic view of what to expect from relationships
  • He's very good at going for what he wants and making things happen, which I find attractive
  • Has great, very close long-term friendships - shows he is capable of longer term intimacy
  • Is very up for 'doing the work' in a relationship
  • Is kind when I open up to him about difficulties, and makes an effort to be there for me
  • Is very consistent with communication, very much leading on this aspect of our relationship

Bad things:

  • He has a very avoidant past (41 years old, has had one relationship in the past 20 or so years and many flings), and I think may have difficulty in general connecting to people. Even though I know this, I keep blame myself for what I feel is a lack of connection in our interactions (I'm not sure he feels this too, although I'm thinking about asking him as it's driving me crazy - like an elephant in the room)
  • I just have a terrible gut feeling a lot of the time. When I'm with him, there's a sort of stilted atmosphere (I feel) and I don't feel able to relax. We hardly laugh. He's quiet quite a lot. He's been honest that he has abandonment issues and that he is hypervigilant to signs of rejection, which makes him quiet, so I've tried to have patience with it but I also feel hypervigilant around him. I've tried to spend lots of time with him to get over this and it's still there most of the time
  • Talks about relationships as 'work' a lot - feels a little joyless
  • Despite talking quite a lot about money / having lots of investments and also enough savings to never have to work again, he has let me somehow do all of the grocery shopping for every visit we've had. Majority of these have been me going to his city, which is nicer to hang out in as it's close to the countryside, so I'm spending money on train tickets AND about £80 at least every single time. This is really stacking up. In comparison, he knows that at 35 I'm still saving for a housing deposit and am going through an expensive egg freezing process. He is extremely frugal in general. The one time he paid of out food on a visit (because I lost my bank card) he asked me to settle up with him afterwards. He probably doesn't realise how much I've spent, as I've not communicated this and frankly find it awkward and quite rude that he wouldn't enquire himself or just say 'I'll pay for groceries next time'. Of all the things, strangely, this one makes me most angry and uncomfortable. I guess because we're from very different social classes and I would never want to be seen as a gold digger (he knows this, we've spoken about the fact that I've always dated people from a 'higher' class than me and that I've always gone at least halves or paid for more because I don't want to be seen as with them for their money)
  • I find our conversation often turns to serious subjects - trauma, how messed up someone is, work stuff - and there is little lightness. He is a thoughtful and quite serious character, I think, but I also worry this is just a chemistry thing and he'd be better with someone else (which then makes me want to fix it)
  • Because he's very open about wanting to settle down, it can sometimes make me feel like he is being spurred by that rather than wanting to be with ME. This could be my paranoia. But he doesn't often express how he actually feels about me, or why. He expresses his affection, I guess, through wanting to spend lots of time together, but even this feels a little intense / out of kilter with our level of emotional intimacy. Lockdown and living in different cities doesn't help - our dates are several days long, which I think I find a bit much
  • He's commented a few times about how I have a higher sex drive than him / enjoy it more. This makes me feel self conscious about asking for sex. When I did the one time, last week, he was too tired. We didn't have enough physical closeness in my four day visit for me to feel particularly cared for or happy. In general I find him just quite distant. Sex feels a little transactional - like he'll do the minimum to make me orgasm, then he's like 'job done' and then gets his and it's over. There isn't enough kissing or general sensuality for me. I don't feel very connected with him
  • I said I was uncomfy meeting his parents on our third ever date (it was a week long, and we'd been talking on zoom for a month before meeting, plus we actually know eachother from 13 years ago in a work context, but still). He said that was fine and they weren't coming, then the day before told me they actually were and I could 'hide in the house as they'd be in the garden and he'd just say I had lots of work to do' if I wanted. I felt intensely uncomfy with this setup so just met them anyway, but felt very awkward. He hadn't seen them all lockdown, and apparently it was just circumstantial that they visited that day, but I felt a little blindsided. I also met his sister and niece on the day, had been living with his other sister for a week and had spent the day with his best friends that week also. It all felt a little much

So - am I looking a gifthorse in the mouth? My anxiety levels are through the roof on this. For some reason I feel like I need to end it NOW even though I know there's loads of great things going for this guy. Any idea what might be going on?

OP posts:
cosycatsocks · 23/07/2020 22:10

I wouldn't waste another minute of your time thinking about him OP. Who cares why he did what he did. Bin and forget.

serenada · 23/07/2020 22:10

Trapped wind.

SistemaAddict · 23/07/2020 22:11

What I think is that you are driving yourself bonkers trying to analyse everything. He's made you like this, you know that now but you are letting him control your thinking so that all your thoughts revolve around him. I suspect this could turn unpleasant if left until Tuesday. He knows it's coming so will probably text you before then to end it and turn everything on you. Please stop letting him be in control. I'll bow out now. Good luck OP.

JumpingJackFrost · 23/07/2020 22:14

@StartingAgain33

One more thing. He farted, quite a lot, openly, very early on. I was initially shocked and asked if he did this with every woman and he said it was a litmus test. What do you think that was about? Maybe some kind of boundary pushing thing.
I really wouldn't spend any more time analysing this relationship.

Some people would be fine with this or find it funny. Personally I'd be very put off by it.

He wasn't the one no matter how hard you tried.

Good luck though.

JinglingHellsBells · 23/07/2020 22:24

maybe consider that if you wait till his birthday is over, before you dump him, it will be obvious. (Unless something happens on or around his birthday that sets the scene for the dumping.)

He may not be happy that you had it in mind all along but put on a bit of pretence for his birthday.

Does he not expect to see you on his birthday? Distance the issue?

10km · 23/07/2020 22:24

Hi OP - I’m not really sure what to say about all this, but it just sounds so very heavy, over-analysed and draining.

I do hope you don’t mind my asking - how long have you been in therapy? I’ve been in therapy too and it’s fantastic and life-changing in so many ways.., but, if you’re an over-thinker anyway, there can be point where maybe it becomes a little counter-productive? I don’t know, I just thought Id mention that.

God knows what all the disconnect is about with him, but it’s not your job to fix him. He’s lived a life and there is simply no need for any of this. The money thing alone would have set alarm bells off for me - most men wouldn’t have let you pay for groceries like that. Very unattractive trait, regardless of anything else.

AWryGiraffe · 23/07/2020 22:25

I just wanted to add - really, properly imagine having a baby with him. The first period of time after having a baby is a really vulnerable time. You can feel like shit. You need to feel comfortable. You need to have each other's back and not be too much in your head. Can you imagine doing that with this guy? Not the 'let me talk about my issues' angsty shit that he seems to be good at. But real trust, dependency, openness, friendship, kindness, patience that mean everything. Would you have that? Do you trust him?

The angst fixer upper type of relationship will get old, really quickly.

candycane222 · 23/07/2020 22:29

Oh, put him out of your misery, and bin him off. If you want to give yourself a 'kind' reason, you know it's over - so now you're just stringing him along.

StartingAgain33 · 23/07/2020 22:30

Yeah, we're not seeing eachother on his bday for various reasons so it will just be a phone call. Agreed on the analysing, so tired now so going to call it a day. Thanks so much to everyone for your thoughts. I'll let you know once the deed is done!

OP posts:
JinglingHellsBells · 23/07/2020 22:30

How do you plan to talk to him on this?

Is it a phone chat or are you having a birthday date?

I agree that ending things by text is not great.

However, if it's f2f, that can be really hard especially as you are long distance, so one of you would need to stay over or travel.

I'm sorry but I think his 'abandonment' line is really a red herring to make women feel sympathy and give him power. He really ought not to bring issues like that to the forefront of early relationships.

JinglingHellsBells · 23/07/2020 22:31

ah , x-d posts. Good luck!

roropops78 · 23/07/2020 22:59

Run

PotatoBasher · 23/07/2020 23:13

Yup- run and don't look back.

My OH went to boarding school- half a world away from his parents, mixed race at a posh boarding school. It affected him and he hates talking about deep feelings, but he is kind and generous and open with his affection. Friends mention that he always kisses me and the kids hello and goodbye.

Don't let his childhood be such a bit thing in your relationship.
He sounds like hard work.
As someone wise above said- imagine this in 10 years, with 2 small children at heel. How would your relationship be then

famousforwrongreason · 24/07/2020 00:49

Fuck it. If you don't want to face him and need to get it over with just end it by text. You don't need to drag out the misery by waiting to see him.
He's been a bit of an arse to you and he would only get worse given half the chance.
He sounds like several exes of mine. A couple of years ago I was with a guy who insisted that I should at least go halves if not more every time despite the huge disparity in our incomes. He assured me that he knew I was better off than him because of the tax credits.
My income is to feed and house me and two kids, he only had himself to pay for but was never generous despite the fact that he was also 'known for being very generous'.
In fact I've never ever had a partner who wasn't a miser Sad makes me sad because I actually am generous and If we're out and about I like to make sure that everyone is included and having fun. My two most recent boyfriends were very reticent when it came to paying at the bar and with both I tested it out by only buying my own drink one time and both guys pulled me up on it. Both at events I'd bought our tickets for. It's embarrassing and they also know damn well that we don't want to sour the experience by challenging them on small spends (which mount up).
Rich people can be conmen too. Its a very well known fact that they stay rich precisely by being penny pinchers.
It's absolutely classic that a guy like him would perpetually find women to live off whilst he's racking up the zeros on his bank balance.
Without being too outing, can you confirm whether he's the same bristolian a previous poster suggested?.

TorchesTorches · 24/07/2020 04:55

He knows what's happening. He's been there before. He is "getting his retaliation in first". This is a move calculated to make you feel bad. And it has worked.

Do you want to be with someone who takes calculated moves to make you feel bad?

caringcarer · 24/07/2020 05:33

Never settle. You have to like each other, want to be together, make each other laugh, feel intimate and comfortable with, turn each other on, be honest with each other and just be able to talk about anything or nothing and feel good just because you are together. He should make you feel very special and if he doesn't he is not the one.

mask2020 · 24/07/2020 06:04

At 3 months in you should have a list of positives as long as your arm and virtually no negatives as the rose coloured spectacles of a new romance are blinding you yet in your 3 months into this relationship the bad list is more than twice the good list
Time to run for the hills

clairedelalune · 24/07/2020 06:08

Definitely the right decision to end it.
I spent many years looking for the right person. And then realised that it was so hard because I didn't actually really want someone, I think I had felt pressure because of clocks ticking and thought it was what I wanted. So I became a mother alone (I had always wanted to adopt, so I did, I know several people however who used a donor); remember that you can become a parent alone. And once I woke up and realised this, I became happiest I had ever been.

chatterbugmegastar · 24/07/2020 06:12

if I know we can have a reasonable and calm convo on Tuesday ending things.

I wouldn't think he'll take the removal of control from him, in a reasonable and calm way

But you must always do what is right for you, so waiting til Tuesday is a good idea if you're doing that for you

FrolickingLemon · 24/07/2020 06:37

OP is this the same Man who you posted about in February who you had been seeing for 3.5 months? You agreed to end it all I think? That was all very lengthy and complicated too. There are many similarities / overlap / issues if it's a different man. Either way, I'm afraid to say it's all a bit screwed up.

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 24/07/2020 06:48

StartingAgain33
One more thing. He farted, quite a lot, openly, very early on. I was initially shocked and asked if he did this with every woman and he said it was a litmus test. What do you think that was about? Maybe some kind of boundary pushing thing.*

Sorry but I would have walked out then and there Envy (not envy)

AnneKipanki · 24/07/2020 07:33

It is days before his birthday... this could all be over and he would have his other stuff to take his mind off his heartbreak.

AnneKipanki · 24/07/2020 07:36

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AnneKipanki · 24/07/2020 07:41

The thread was February. Is this a new boyfriend now @StartingAgain33 ?

SmileEachDay · 24/07/2020 07:45

OP.

As a couple have pointed out, you posted in February- I think about the American guy?

Then you started seeing this one - must’ve been almost immediately?

You’re getting into relationships too heavily, too quickly. You say you want light and fun, but both threads show that in the very early stages you are totally thinking about the long haul.

I get it - you want to settle down, but you’re shouting yourself in the got by becoming so involved so quickly. You are introducing a layer of heavy.