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AIBU to not trust my gut on man I'm dating?

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StartingAgain33 · 22/07/2020 14:56

I've been dating someone for three months. He's thoughtful, intelligent, successful, wants the same things in life as me and has made it clear that he sees a future with me (as much as someone can in such a short space of time). He also has literally built my dream life and is inviting me to be a part of it. But my gut keeps telling me to run away, and my therapist says that one of my key challenges is learning to tune into and act on my gut. I'm obsessing and would love your thoughts.

I worry I'm focusing on the negatives too much. I'm about to be 36, keen to have children and tired of being in a dating pool with guys that either don't have their shit together and so by default aren't ready for kids, or who are emotionally avoidant and not willing to put their cards on the table. This guy is neither of those things, and is up for doing the work of a real relationship. So I worry this is just my commitment issues - and potentially anxiety at having met someone so amazing - coming to the fore. What would you think?

Good things:

  • He is open about wanting to settle down, feeling ready for children (a priority for me), about having done the necessary work to get to this point with a therapist (he went to boarding school from a young age and was very starved of love - so had a very avoidant dating pattern). He had one 18 month relationship which ended last year which he said went a long way to healing some of his commitment issues. However, he never loved her and they broke it off as they both felt (I think it was more that he felt) that what they had wasn't 'enough'. This was after they had moved in together to test the relationship (I kind of think you should know if you love someone before making that move, and wonder how much anxiety she was hiding?)
  • He is very successful and leads a really great life. He's open and generous with this life - introducing me to friends and family, making fun trips happen all the time
  • His future vision is the same as mine to an uncanny degree
  • He's not afraid to challenge me and be honest about things, something which I find difficult (I have an anxious attachment pattern)
  • Seems to have a realistic view of what to expect from relationships
  • He's very good at going for what he wants and making things happen, which I find attractive
  • Has great, very close long-term friendships - shows he is capable of longer term intimacy
  • Is very up for 'doing the work' in a relationship
  • Is kind when I open up to him about difficulties, and makes an effort to be there for me
  • Is very consistent with communication, very much leading on this aspect of our relationship

Bad things:

  • He has a very avoidant past (41 years old, has had one relationship in the past 20 or so years and many flings), and I think may have difficulty in general connecting to people. Even though I know this, I keep blame myself for what I feel is a lack of connection in our interactions (I'm not sure he feels this too, although I'm thinking about asking him as it's driving me crazy - like an elephant in the room)
  • I just have a terrible gut feeling a lot of the time. When I'm with him, there's a sort of stilted atmosphere (I feel) and I don't feel able to relax. We hardly laugh. He's quiet quite a lot. He's been honest that he has abandonment issues and that he is hypervigilant to signs of rejection, which makes him quiet, so I've tried to have patience with it but I also feel hypervigilant around him. I've tried to spend lots of time with him to get over this and it's still there most of the time
  • Talks about relationships as 'work' a lot - feels a little joyless
  • Despite talking quite a lot about money / having lots of investments and also enough savings to never have to work again, he has let me somehow do all of the grocery shopping for every visit we've had. Majority of these have been me going to his city, which is nicer to hang out in as it's close to the countryside, so I'm spending money on train tickets AND about £80 at least every single time. This is really stacking up. In comparison, he knows that at 35 I'm still saving for a housing deposit and am going through an expensive egg freezing process. He is extremely frugal in general. The one time he paid of out food on a visit (because I lost my bank card) he asked me to settle up with him afterwards. He probably doesn't realise how much I've spent, as I've not communicated this and frankly find it awkward and quite rude that he wouldn't enquire himself or just say 'I'll pay for groceries next time'. Of all the things, strangely, this one makes me most angry and uncomfortable. I guess because we're from very different social classes and I would never want to be seen as a gold digger (he knows this, we've spoken about the fact that I've always dated people from a 'higher' class than me and that I've always gone at least halves or paid for more because I don't want to be seen as with them for their money)
  • I find our conversation often turns to serious subjects - trauma, how messed up someone is, work stuff - and there is little lightness. He is a thoughtful and quite serious character, I think, but I also worry this is just a chemistry thing and he'd be better with someone else (which then makes me want to fix it)
  • Because he's very open about wanting to settle down, it can sometimes make me feel like he is being spurred by that rather than wanting to be with ME. This could be my paranoia. But he doesn't often express how he actually feels about me, or why. He expresses his affection, I guess, through wanting to spend lots of time together, but even this feels a little intense / out of kilter with our level of emotional intimacy. Lockdown and living in different cities doesn't help - our dates are several days long, which I think I find a bit much
  • He's commented a few times about how I have a higher sex drive than him / enjoy it more. This makes me feel self conscious about asking for sex. When I did the one time, last week, he was too tired. We didn't have enough physical closeness in my four day visit for me to feel particularly cared for or happy. In general I find him just quite distant. Sex feels a little transactional - like he'll do the minimum to make me orgasm, then he's like 'job done' and then gets his and it's over. There isn't enough kissing or general sensuality for me. I don't feel very connected with him
  • I said I was uncomfy meeting his parents on our third ever date (it was a week long, and we'd been talking on zoom for a month before meeting, plus we actually know eachother from 13 years ago in a work context, but still). He said that was fine and they weren't coming, then the day before told me they actually were and I could 'hide in the house as they'd be in the garden and he'd just say I had lots of work to do' if I wanted. I felt intensely uncomfy with this setup so just met them anyway, but felt very awkward. He hadn't seen them all lockdown, and apparently it was just circumstantial that they visited that day, but I felt a little blindsided. I also met his sister and niece on the day, had been living with his other sister for a week and had spent the day with his best friends that week also. It all felt a little much

So - am I looking a gifthorse in the mouth? My anxiety levels are through the roof on this. For some reason I feel like I need to end it NOW even though I know there's loads of great things going for this guy. Any idea what might be going on?

OP posts:
oakleaffy · 23/07/2020 21:08

He sounds awful...PLEASE caps lock please, listen to your gut instinct.
I overrode a gut feeling...the man I was then seeing said ''How would you like to be dating a very rich man in the future?''
It was pure fantasy on his part.

Plus he too found it hard to commit, got bored easily....the meanness with £ is not good.}I'd run and not look back.

Ps...My gut feeling with my handsome but brooding bloke was proved to be 100% correct.

cbt944 · 23/07/2020 21:10

Just to clarify, he did say he was sorry and that he hadn't realised and that he always likes being fair / this wasn't characteristic etc. He also transferred £250 to my account this morning which was probably more than he owed if we're just counting groceries (maybe not if travel but god knows how we'd fairly calculate that and I really don't want to split hairs). I wouldn't say he was mortified, - unless it was mortified to have the impression if that makes sense - but he was sorry.

I read he'd said he was sorry. Saying is one thing. If he was truly, actually sorry, he'd not be behaving as if you were in the wrong.

These are your fertile years, woman! Don't give them to this man. Read all of your own posts, again, slowly. It's all there.

You are losing your resolve to end it - that's why he's doing what he's doing. And it's working. That is manipulation in motion.

Look, your funeral - so to speak. Good luck with it all, and remember this thread in times to come.

JinglingHellsBells · 23/07/2020 21:11

Just to clarify, he did say he was sorry and that he hadn't realised and that he always likes being fair / this wasn't characteristic etc.

He's just winding you in.
Can't you see that?

Come on - you are an intelligent woman!

He's game playing and trying to shift the blame.

If he's so smart and so rich of course he knew what he was doing.

But he doesn't like being called out on it!

Even if he gave you £1M in your bank account tomorrow, he's not a good or nice person.

He's trying to 'buy' your forgiveness as a a means of controlling you.

If you carry on with this man you will end up an emotional mess- he's a manipulative narc.

Read about sociopaths and how they push and pull.

This is classic.

SistemaAddict · 23/07/2020 21:12

Look at you dancing on egg shells going round and round on what to do that isn't going to rock the boat and not be nice. Fuck nice. He's not nice. He's playing with your head and will keep doing it. Once it's over you will feel so free. I've been there and putting it off was a mistake. Gives them more time to use manipulation and guilt and give you even more doubts. By Tuesday you'll be a wreck. Don't give him that power. He knows your weaknesses and is e outing them here.

JinglingHellsBells · 23/07/2020 21:14

He may have issues but I really do think he means well in general and is just screwed up.

You are spending too much time thinking about HIM and HIS feelings.

He's not a project! It's not your role to understand him or sort him, or end it when HE wants!

FGS put yourself first. You don't have to be NICE to everyone at the expense of your own emotions. It's OKAY to dump a man .

It doesn't make you a horrible person.

ShreksAuntie · 23/07/2020 21:15

Your list of bad things is twice as long as your list of good things. Trust your gut.

oakleaffy · 23/07/2020 21:17

Please read ''Women who love too much''..........This bloke sounds like a disaster, you can't fix him.... only he can do that, and it is unlikely he will.

Minikievs · 23/07/2020 21:17

I have genuinely just read your OP with my mouth open wondering if you're dating the guy I've just split up from.
Other than the fact my ex had a son, this could've been him to a T.
I also wrote a list of pros and cons in my head (virtually the same, especially his long term friendships etc) but in the end it came down to the fact that I felt there was no emotional connection after 18 months. I felt like he saw me as good company that he occasionally had sex with (my sex drive is far higher)
Long story short, that connection is all important to me. I didn't realise how important, until it wasn't there. I tried to force it and ended up insecure and naggy.
Trust your gut. He's not right for you

JinglingHellsBells · 23/07/2020 21:19

Push /pull- the game.

www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/dating-games-the-pushey-pulley-game/

StartingAgain33 · 23/07/2020 21:20

@oakleaffy

He sounds awful...PLEASE caps lock please, listen to your gut instinct. I overrode a gut feeling...the man I was then seeing said ''How would you like to be dating a very rich man in the future?'' It was pure fantasy on his part.

Plus he too found it hard to commit, got bored easily....the meanness with £ is not good.}I'd run and not look back.

Ps...My gut feeling with my handsome but brooding bloke was proved to be 100% correct.

Ha. He also kept dangling things in front of me like this house he's buying right now, holidays in his massive holiday home etc. I told him flat out that I wasn't with him for those things - that I was with him for him, which was true. It was actually really offputting as it felt really insecure on his part and also like he had completely misread why I was with him and what kind of person I was. I thought it was sweet but misguided rather than manipulative but you're right, maybe he sees all women as gold-diggers and thinks that's his super power or something.
OP posts:
oakleaffy · 23/07/2020 21:23

*I have genuinely just read your OP with my mouth open wondering if you're dating the guy I've just split up from.
Other than the fact my ex had a son, this could've been him to a T. *

I thought the same.......except I read this year that 'my' bloke died. {illness}.
Had I not read of his death, I'd truly wonder if he was the same bloke.......

Mrskeats · 23/07/2020 21:25

I feel exhausted reading this.
Should relationships really be this bloody hard?
Move on.

JinglingHellsBells · 23/07/2020 21:26

Please stop trying to analyse him.

It's not worth your energy.

This is NOT going to work.

You can go for the 'death by a thousand cuts' if you want and drag it out a bit by which time your self esteem with be at rock bottom as he messes with your head ( and you will take that experience into another relationship and possibly cock it up because of this man.)

OR you can be kind to yourself and end it now by the guillotine!

It's going to end, so you need to decide if it's going to be on your terms to protect your emotions, or further down the line when he's spat you out.

Just text him or block him and say it's over.

Honestly, you are behaving as if this is a long term affair not a few months.

StartingAgain33 · 23/07/2020 21:29

I'm definitely ending it! I just might wait till we chat next week and do it then. I PROMISE. It's his birthday on Monday and I don't want to end things over text - it's just not my style. I am TOTALLY over the idea of making this work.

OP posts:
oakleaffy · 23/07/2020 21:30

@StartingAgain33
Crosspost...
He is no good for you....even how he does sex {mine called me a nymphomaniac} he was 'not that into it' and 'doesn't have a very string sex drive'.....
He too lived about 250 miles away..OP, please find a different man...he will enjoy torturing you.
He sounds like an expert manipulator.
The lack of a solid relationship and lots of flings?..I bet he doesn't really like women that much? {not that he is Gay, but he has a sneering , slightly superior attitude?

My mum spoke about him when I said he'd died, and she said ''we were so worried about you...you looked so haunted''.

And that was how I did feel.

Please regain your power.... finish it.

christinarossetti19 · 23/07/2020 21:32

Well done StartingAgain33.

From everything you've said, this man is definitely not someone that you'd want to have a baby with, let alone anything else.

JinglingHellsBells · 23/07/2020 21:33

No.

You need to end it now!

You owe this man NOTHING.

Get some self worth!

He has treated you appallingly.

Get your radar set and see him for what he is.

Your style should be to protect your emotions.

This is a short term relationship.
Crap sex. No kindness, self-obsessed, mean and then makes you feel guilty over it and says he didn't realise. Bollocks.

Why ask for advice and then do the opposite of what ever single poster suggests?

AnyOldMorricone · 23/07/2020 21:38

@JinglingHellsBells – calm down!

The OP can do what she wants, and had actually already said that she plans to end things when they speak. That’s her call, she doesn’t owe us here on the thread anything.

cakeandchampagne · 23/07/2020 21:41

You don’t want to quickly end a bad relationship by text because it’s not your “style”?

JinglingHellsBells · 23/07/2020 21:43

Am perfectly calm @AnyOldMorricone, thank you :)

I am sure the OP has a voice of her own if she feels the need to chastise any posters.

(And by the way there are more people than me saying she needs to end it now, not wait till next week- did you see those?)

StartingAgain33 · 23/07/2020 21:45

@cakeandchampagne

You don’t want to quickly end a bad relationship by text because it’s not your “style”?
Yes, it isn't my style. I like to end things kindly - for myself as well as the other person.

I appreciate people's passion about this. But I'm the one who's actually lived in this relationship and spoken every day on the phone with this man. I agree he is not the one for me, and that he has some serious issues etc that I don't want to be a part of, but waiting a few days for his bday to pass is just not a big deal and I want to afford him this, knowing what I know of his character (which I cannot convey to you accurately here).

I've got loads of social plans over the weekend and will just get on with those. I'm totally exhausted from all of this and dont want to invite nasty or upset texts from him (which there would be) if I know we can have a reasonable and calm convo on Tuesday ending things.

OP posts:
serenada · 23/07/2020 21:53

'invite nasty or upset texts from him (which there would be)'

The 'nasty' puts a different spin on him, OP

SistemaAddict · 23/07/2020 21:56

That's why it's good to block him once you've sent the text. It doesn't need to be this difficult. It really doesn't.

StartingAgain33 · 23/07/2020 22:08

One more thing. He farted, quite a lot, openly, very early on. I was initially shocked and asked if he did this with every woman and he said it was a litmus test. What do you think that was about? Maybe some kind of boundary pushing thing.

OP posts:
cbt944 · 23/07/2020 22:10

I know we can have a reasonable and calm convo on Tuesday ending things.

Was the convo nice and calm and reasonable when you pointed out that he'd taken advantage of you financially (accidentally, of course)?

Was his ensuing reaction calm and friendly?

No. He doesn't sound as he is will be very lovely in person, either.

Face to face with people like this is a disaster, anyway. Particularly if you are, as many of us are, someone with poor boundaries (as evidenced by letting him get away with every instance you delineated in your OP).

don't want to invite nasty or upset texts from him

Isn't there a thing called block?

Anyway, I doubt, with your resolve further weakened by time and self-doubt, and being suitably chastened (which I'd suggest is his intention), and once away from these awful women of MN who made you question his fine character and rashly request some repayment (wasn't hard for him to ask you to split that previous bill though), and cause him to be so upset as to retire to sulk and pull you back in line, that you will end it.