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Should I tell work about childcare situation?

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BippertyBopperty · 17/07/2020 23:07

My childcare is turning into a nightmare that I don’t know how to solve. Both breakfast and after school club have been cancelled for the new year and on top of that school will be staggering start and finishing times. We moved closer to the in-laws a few months before lockdown (and so they are the only people we know but both are elderly and vulnerable to the virus). I don’t know what to do. I’m working from home at the moment but am expected back in the office from September. Should I tell my boss I’m having trouble fixing this and ask if there is anyway I could work flexibly? Or do I need to just sort this on my own. (But how).

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LaurieFairyCake · 17/07/2020 23:32

I think you should take the financial 'hit' - for all you know it might be a 3 month hit and all those things start again in January.

You have to consider if you reduce your hours you may not get them back again because of economic uncertainty.

It will also make your maternity pay higher if you stay at full time wages.

You're talking about losing 3 thousand ish for a before and after school nanny?

BippertyBopperty · 17/07/2020 23:33

@nether

I wouldn't tell your employer, at least nit in the way you seem to be going about it.

The bottom line, from their POV, is that come September, even DC from shielded families can go to school and return to the household where the (by then de-shielded) person lives, even if it is difficult/impossible to keep any form of distance within the household.

As that is household proximity with someone considerable more vulnerable that than the classification for the elderly, there is no way that the situation with the grandparents will be seen as anything other than disinclination, going beyond the official advice.

So raise you request in terms of working flexibly being good in its own right. Can you demonstrate that you have been more productive? Can you show they can have a more Covid safe workplace if fewer staff are in on a regular basis? Can you show how the business is more resilient, in the case of eg local lockdown or Test and Trace required isolation, if they have some staff established as WFM?

Also you could make it a formal flexible working request, of the sort you could have made before Covid, and with considerable stronger evidence that it is positive for the business?

You need to show then whats in it for them, not talk about childcare issues.

And then you will gain the flexibility you want to arrange your wider family's infection control measures as you wish, including going further than the government advice if that is what you think you need

I can’t force grandparents to be my childcare if the grandparents won’t and don’t want to agree to it? Can I? I agree that they might not be as vulnerable as they think they are. But it is their decision to make. I can’t force childcare upon them because technically they could do it.
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ToBBQorNotToBBQ · 17/07/2020 23:33

It's not all on you, your husband is a parent too. I could say my jobs one of those where I can't take time off but as a parent you have no choice sometimes. My colleague's have had to turn clients away from our office on occasions when my sons been ill and I can't get in (the first appointments of the day, obviously the rest get called to rebook even if that's 3 weeks time). I found people are quite understanding if you apologise and are honest about it. Can't really leave a small child alone can you. With you both and the grandparents I'm sure you can work something out.

Pixxie7 · 17/07/2020 23:36

There are going to be loads of parents in this situation. You say your in laws are vulnerable and your children are old enough to amuse themselves. Could they perhaps come round and be with the children but not actively do anything except of course in an emergency.

Smallsteps88 · 17/07/2020 23:36

I just feel like the worse employee ever right now.

You’ve no reason to. This situation was dumped on you. You had no hand in it.

kissmysass · 17/07/2020 23:36

I think I'm going to have the same issue.
Our school is staggering start and end tines from September. Guidance at the minute says our breakfast club and after-school can't open as it services more than one school and can't keep kids in their own bubbles.
Our school has also said parents, grandparents or legal guardians to do the school collections/drop off. No childminders.

I was hoping they would allow ours to open somehow. My workplace isn't flexible, I'm WFH now but on the proviso that I'm back at the start of September, no reduction of hours, no WFH as standard going forward. I can't afford a nanny. At this point I'll be handing my notice in.

BippertyBopperty · 17/07/2020 23:37

The grandparents are refusing to help. It doesn’t matter how vulnerable I think they are or aren’t. It’s not an option. And it’s their right to say no.

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Smallsteps88 · 17/07/2020 23:38

Take the grandparents out of the equation. They don’t exist as a childcare option. Don’t even mention them or their reluctance to your boss.

Smallsteps88 · 17/07/2020 23:39

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BippertyBopperty · 17/07/2020 23:39

@ToBBQorNotToBBQ

It's not all on you, your husband is a parent too. I could say my jobs one of those where I can't take time off but as a parent you have no choice sometimes. My colleague's have had to turn clients away from our office on occasions when my sons been ill and I can't get in (the first appointments of the day, obviously the rest get called to rebook even if that's 3 weeks time). I found people are quite understanding if you apologise and are honest about it. Can't really leave a small child alone can you. With you both and the grandparents I'm sure you can work something out.
He is an equal parent but without saying what his job is, it really isn’t that simple. Also a drop in his wages would be far more catastrophic than a drop in mine. (I accept that’s not my employers problem). But if we have to reduce hours then I need to be the one requesting that.
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TW2013 · 17/07/2020 23:40

Well in some ways if you are pregnant then you know it is time limited so could maybe throw a little money at the situation. It might just be 3 months if you were to go on maternity leave after Christmas.

If they are old enough to entertain themselves at home then a teenager could help, lots of teenagers babysit and if you are wanting one to collect them from school they will probably be older sixth formers. Alternatively see if you can team up with other parents in a similar position so you pick up more children on one day so you only need to leave work early a few days a week. This might be a bit tiring though.

I would see if there is any flexibility in start time, if you can at least drop them all off you only need childcare at the other end of the day.

BippertyBopperty · 17/07/2020 23:41

@Smallsteps88

Take the grandparents out of the equation. They don’t exist as a childcare option. Don’t even mention them or their reluctance to your boss.
I won’t. The grandparents haven’t helped us before with childcare so I don’t see why they should be expected to now really. They want to enjoy their retirement without having to look after other peoples children. My MIL even before covid used to say that she had “done her time” and I agree with her. It’s our headache to solve one way or another. Not theirs.
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GreenTulips · 17/07/2020 23:42

If you can work from home can you not suggest you work 10/3 in the office and then work from home 6/9 or whatever when your DH is home?

Any reason why part of your job can’t be done away from the office

WildRunner · 17/07/2020 23:43

My team are all working from home at the moment. But a lot of them are looking ahead to September and whether they need to change their hours or flexible working to account for availability of breakfast / after school clubs etc. My take on this is really simple. They're working effectively from home now. No reason why that can't continue longer term if needed for whatever reason. And in terms of a change of hours, everything is so up in the air at the moment, I'm not expecting anyone to put in a formal flexible working request now. We'll trial different working patterns on an informal basis until we know it works for both parties, at which point I'll ask people to put in the formal request.

Admittedly I work for a big company, and have a pretty big team, which makes it easier to be flexible. But the future is so uncertain at the moment, it's got to be worth at least a sounding out with your boss. They'll be trying to work out what the future of work for your team looks like too. So understanding the challenges you face will actually be quite helpful to them.

BippertyBopperty · 17/07/2020 23:45

@TW2013

Well in some ways if you are pregnant then you know it is time limited so could maybe throw a little money at the situation. It might just be 3 months if you were to go on maternity leave after Christmas.

If they are old enough to entertain themselves at home then a teenager could help, lots of teenagers babysit and if you are wanting one to collect them from school they will probably be older sixth formers. Alternatively see if you can team up with other parents in a similar position so you pick up more children on one day so you only need to leave work early a few days a week. This might be a bit tiring though.

I would see if there is any flexibility in start time, if you can at least drop them all off you only need childcare at the other end of the day.

I’m only 10 weeks pregnant but that’s true. A nanny might sting financially but would be max of 6 months. Just need to check if school has any restrictions on who can do drop off or pick up, and whether any nannies have any places for before school and after school.
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Babyboomtastic · 17/07/2020 23:45

Wouldn't it make sense for your husband to (for example( go in later, after dropping the kids off, and stay later in the office, and you start earlier and pick them up from school. Both of you can do your hours, but it might need to be staggered.

copperoliver · 17/07/2020 23:45

Could you not get any universal credit to help pay for a nanny. X

foreverandalways · 17/07/2020 23:46

Oh my goodness....must be such a worry for you and so many other parents atm.....I don't even see my grandson anymore and would love the opportunity to be able to take care of him before and after school etc....your pil don't realise what they are actually missing out on...I wish you the best of luck...I also live in Wales and didn't know about this in our schools until I just read your post

BippertyBopperty · 17/07/2020 23:46

@WildRunner

My team are all working from home at the moment. But a lot of them are looking ahead to September and whether they need to change their hours or flexible working to account for availability of breakfast / after school clubs etc. My take on this is really simple. They're working effectively from home now. No reason why that can't continue longer term if needed for whatever reason. And in terms of a change of hours, everything is so up in the air at the moment, I'm not expecting anyone to put in a formal flexible working request now. We'll trial different working patterns on an informal basis until we know it works for both parties, at which point I'll ask people to put in the formal request.

Admittedly I work for a big company, and have a pretty big team, which makes it easier to be flexible. But the future is so uncertain at the moment, it's got to be worth at least a sounding out with your boss. They'll be trying to work out what the future of work for your team looks like too. So understanding the challenges you face will actually be quite helpful to them.

You sound like a lovely boss and your team are lucky to have you.
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surlycurly · 17/07/2020 23:46

If you have a spare room think about getting an au pair until Christmas. They would be glad of the opportunity before brexit makes things even more difficult for people coming here from abroad, and it sounds like your kids are about the right age. It's also economical. You both win then.

BippertyBopperty · 17/07/2020 23:47

@Babyboomtastic

Wouldn't it make sense for your husband to (for example( go in later, after dropping the kids off, and stay later in the office, and you start earlier and pick them up from school. Both of you can do your hours, but it might need to be staggered.
He does not work an office job or anything like it so no not really.
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Hearwego · 17/07/2020 23:47

Over the next 6 weeks discuss your options with your DH. Between you both come up with a strategy, and then put it to your employers. Why can’t your DH ask for every Tuesday off for example? Atleast that’s one day out of five sorted. Can his job really not give him a set day? By law companies must atleast respond to a request. Don’t take all the burden, this is a joint problem.
If you do have to get a nanny, you can advertise on a website stating your needs.

Zofloramummy · 17/07/2020 23:49

Universal credit wouldn't fund a nanny! I very much doubt that the OP would even qualify!

BippertyBopperty · 17/07/2020 23:49

@Hearwego

Over the next 6 weeks discuss your options with your DH. Between you both come up with a strategy, and then put it to your employers. Why can’t your DH ask for every Tuesday off for example? Atleast that’s one day out of five sorted. Can his job really not give him a set day? By law companies must atleast respond to a request. Don’t take all the burden, this is a joint problem. If you do have to get a nanny, you can advertise on a website stating your needs.
He is going to ask and see if work will consider anything that could be helpful to us. He has had flexible working requests turned down before so neither of us are very optimistic.
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BippertyBopperty · 17/07/2020 23:53

Having read the newsletter for school it is saying drop off and pick ups to be done only by immediate family. 😭 I never wanted to be a stay at home mum and I don’t think I would be much good at it for a start. I feel like my options are narrowing though. That might be all that’s left. Unless I could get a nanny to agree to pretend she’s my sister. 😂

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