Page 15 | To think the majority of you are fatphobic?

Callardandbowser · 14/07/2020 07:33

Bad*

dontdisturbmenow · 14/07/2020 07:41

but apparently it’s easy for overeaters
I really hate it when posters bring up the 'but it's not easy you know'.

No one has ever said that losing weight is easy. It tests your willpower in away very few other natural acts do. But does this mean that because it's hard it's a good reason not to do it and give up?

That is exactly what is the problem in our society. We don't want to tackle anything that is hard. Only only tasks are worthy of our attention and we should still get the same results because we are worth it after all.

No! Losing weight is bloody hard but that's even more of a reason to get on with it and more importantly teach our kids to face it from an early age just like they shouldn't give up a piece of homework just because it's a hard one.

It's hard, ok, it is. Now let's get in with it.

doadeer · 14/07/2020 07:55

@Callardandbowser

I think there’s an element of gaslighting happening to us from the Bo-Po movement at the moment that wholeheartedly insists that larger bodies are just as healthy, if not healthier than slimmer ones. It’s crazy really and very non-scientific. There was a documentary on (maybe channel 5?) last year where loads of overweight people went to live in a house together to explore their weight issues. There was one woman there who was the figure head for a bo-po organisation and she was such a bully and very much reminded me of a cult leader who just insisted again and again that if they weren’t fat and happy about it, that they were had people.

I saw that program I think it was BBC.

It was sad that the older members of the group were starting to suffer from health complaints, painful joints and diabetes. She just completely ignored that and she was so forceful with the other two younger ones. Very controlling.

SerenDippitty · 14/07/2020 08:05

Is it not possible to promote the idea that being obese carries health risks without the accompanying aesthetic and moral judgement?

Emeraldshamrock · 14/07/2020 08:35

I saw that program I think it was BBC
Yes there was a thread on it, the lady with the beautiful baby is on mumsnet she started the thread.
I still remember bab's and her self hatred. Very sad program.
Victoria was the body positive lady.

Valkadin · 14/07/2020 08:36

I actually think that it is more societally acceptable to be bigger these days. I know in the 1970’s when I was a child it was incredibly rare to see a fat person. In my High school there was one teacher and one girl who were really overweight. That girl was known as Fat Sandra ( not her real name).

Four of my older siblings are/were overweight and three developed type 2 diabetes. Diabetes killed our brother a couple of years ago. That actually spurred my sister on to lose five stone. She still has diabetes but her symptoms have regressed if thats the correct term to use, her meds are reduced to a tiny amount. She does not ache and is a changed woman.

I know full well their food issues are a direct result of our awful childhood.

Macncheeseballs · 14/07/2020 08:48

I want to live a long and healthy life and for me that means living in a body that is capable of all the things the amazing human body can do, god willing, so I keep it in as good a shape as poss, I only have one life, one body, I may as well look after it

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Beebee8 · 14/07/2020 09:10

I never said being 'obese' is healthy. I said you can't see through someone's body and nobody should be shamed for it.. Quite simple really. The responses are sad, and exactly what I expected. The majority of you are fatphobic.

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NiceLegsShameAboutTheFace · 14/07/2020 09:38

The majority of you are fatphobic.

Oh, don't talk so far back. You're just spoiling for a fight

NiceLegsShameAboutTheFace · 14/07/2020 09:40

The responses are sad, and exactly what I expected.

But just to show I care, you tell me what response you're looking for and I'll deliver it.

orangesandapplesandpearsohmy · 14/07/2020 09:56

Mocking overweight people is one is one of the last bigotries allowed these days and some people really go for it unfortunately.
I've had strangers comment on my 'size' and after I put on weight after pregnancy and with PND - and it really shocked me as I hadn't experienced that before. From the fake 'nice' comments - like a woman at the swimming pool telling me I was 'brave' to get in with the kids to the men in vans shouting at me out jogging, or playing tennis at public courts near the traffic lights. Or the woman at work who told me that it was great I was so comfortable with myself as she'd rather have a eating disorder than be overweight like me.
But here's what I know - I'm out exercising because I'm aware of the issues being overweight can cause and want to be a healthier weight, and no I won't hide or do it at a time when people aren't around. They'll just have to put up with the unsightly sight of me.If they judge they judge.
The woman at the pool is too self conscious to get in the water, even tho she's a 'normal' size. She's the one missing out.
The men in vans are quite often overweight, smoking or, in one case eating a bloody pasty for breakfast, and are making themselves feel better by having a pop at me.
The woman at work already has an eating disorder and struggles and I feel sorry for her, her obsession around food must be really difficult for her and I know how that feels.
I can't say I've noticed it on MN more than anywhere else in the world but yes, people can be or are often prejudiced against overweight people

dontdisturbmenow · 14/07/2020 10:18

I said you can't see through someone's body and nobody should be shamed for it.. Quite simple really
What do you call shaming then? Highlighting the health issues that comes with it and encouraging people to watch their weight? That seems to be the case. If so, then I would say that there's an element of 'I rather stay in denial and accuse others of being nasty'.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 14/07/2020 10:19

I am size 20 and never had anyone shout at me randomly over my size. I am astound by how often that happens to people

acatcalledjohn · 14/07/2020 10:20

@Beebee8

I never said being 'obese' is healthy. I said you can't see through someone's body and nobody should be shamed for it.. Quite simple really. The responses are sad, and exactly what I expected. The majority of you are fatphobic.

And yet you conveniently gloss over several posts highlighting that people who lose weight am have to deal with comments about getting too skinny/losing to much when they are barely a healthy BMI.

Stop spoiling for a fight. None of us would treat a fat person any different than a slim person, which is what fatphobic people would do. What we do highlight is that being fat shouldn't be celebrated in the way that it is because it is fucking unhealthy and a drain on the health service.

NiceLegsShameAboutTheFace · 14/07/2020 10:20

Of course some people are but then some people are just aresholes.

I would hazard a guess that the majority on here are overweight – just extrapolating the national stats –and so are probably uniquely to hold any sort of prejudice against larger people

orangesandapplesandpearsohmy · 14/07/2020 10:24

‘I am size 20 and never had anyone shout at me randomly over my size. I am astound by how often that happens to people’

You’re really lucky then, or maybe you just live in a nicer part of the world to have no-one comment on your weight. I’ve only been 18/20 for the last few years and have had it a dozen times or more - usually when out exercising. And that’s not including the more subtle ones.

NiceLegsShameAboutTheFace · 14/07/2020 10:28

I am size 20 and never had anyone shout at me randomly over my size. I am astound by how often that happens to people

I was a size 20 in a past life and I never experienced any negative comments. I'm absolutely sure that it does happen, but I doubt that the majority of people are abusive.

Strangely enough, I've had recent negative comments about my weight .....

Rosiesma · 14/07/2020 10:35

Is it not possible to promote the idea that being obese carries health risks without the accompanying aesthetic and moral judgement?

Apparently not, no. And people who are obese must just accept it as part of being fat because it's all their own fault.
It's not acceptable to judge someone who uses drugs or alcohol, yet they have exactly the same choice over what they put in their body as an obese person. If you don't want to be fat don't eat, if you don't want to be addicted to drink or drugs then don't do them in the first place - that simple is it?
My theory is that people who are the most vocal about it are the ones who are made miserable by the 'sacrifices' they make to stay a healthy weight, and they resent those who don't make those sacrifices. And then hide behind phrases like "burdens on the NHS" to justify it. Most of the time all this health and NHS concern is absolute bollocks (the fact that being obese does lead to health problems and NHS costs isn't in question, just the motivation of most people using those reasons) it's justification for being spiteful and nasty. And it's encouraged.

BlokeNumber9 · 14/07/2020 10:38

I won't judge people for being fat if they wear masks. Properly, over their mouths and noses.
But fat and maskless gets my contempt.
Do I have a deal?

Emeraldshamrock · 14/07/2020 10:43

There was one chubby girl in my class throughout primary our DC go to the same schools now, her young lads are the fattest in the school there's many overweight DC but these two are physically incapacitated by their size.

NiceLegsShameAboutTheFace · 14/07/2020 10:46

It's not acceptable to judge someone who uses drugs or alcohol

It's as acceptable (or not) as judging obesity.

And as for smoking ....wow: have you read MN's vitriol on that? I tremble every time I take a fag break. Or used to: I gave up recently! YAAAY.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 14/07/2020 10:49

It's not acceptable to judge someone who uses drugs or alcohol, yet they have exactly the same choice over what they put in their body as an obese person

People judge drug addicts tho. And again. Do you want obesity to be treated as a drug addiction? Fair enough. No more big is beautiful then. No more obese people on posters. We wouldn't put an obvious meth head up there either, would we.

And your theory is wrong. Are people saying drugs are bad just people who are unhappy because they don't take drugs? Is it nasty to say drugs are bad and cost nhs unnecessary money which could be spend elsewhere on a top of ruining lives?

I will happily treat obesity equally to drug addiction as so many wish. But with all that entails. Not just the pity bit.

CorianderLord · 14/07/2020 10:56

Yes, people are trained to dislike and fear fatness.

Just look at TV in the last 20 years:
Supersize vs Superskinny
Fat Families
Secret Eaters
Biggest Loser
My 600 LB Life

And hundreds more. It's drilled into people from childhood. I used to watch ss vs ss when I was 12 with my mum.

Eating disorders have absolutely ripped through my age group. I know 4 friends who were made inpatient for anorexia and another 3 who are bulimic.

Emeraldshamrock · 14/07/2020 11:10

Eating disorders have absolutely ripped through my age group. I know 4 friends who were made inpatient for anorexia and another 3 who are bulimic

Eating disorders are not started from peer pressure, they are a method of self harm due to mental illness. I had one and I volunteer with a support group of girls with anorexia they all suffered trauma, depression severe anxiety as a DC.

NiceLegsShameAboutTheFace · 14/07/2020 11:13

Just look at TV in the last 20 years:
Supersize vs Superskinny
Fat Families
Secret Eaters
Biggest Loser
My 600 LB Life

Do those programmes teach 'fear and dislike'? I've watched them and I consider that I neither fear nor dislike larger people. The people portrayed want, and need, to lose weight. I find their experiences interesting. I don't hate anyone