to wonder how people with Michael Jackson tattoos feel now?

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Was just watching an episode of tattoo fixers and there's a girl on there who had a huge MJ memorial tat on her back. The guy tattooing her also had a MJ tattoo. I also work with someone who has MJ tattooed on their shoulder.

I mean, would people feel ok with having had Rolf Harris or similar tattooed on them?

What are happening to these tattoos? Do you think a lot of people have had them removed?

Curious to know what people think about this...

Has this been proven or is it now okay to call someone guilty without proof?

I'm just asking...not a die hard MJ fan nor a tattoo fan btw.

So many people pay people off settle outside of court for many reasons that have nothing to do with them being guilty.

Bet they feel bad.....

As others have said the diehard fans likely to get tattoos of him wouldn’t likely believe he was capable of wrongdoing so I don’t think it would be an issue for them.

Ahh, there we go. I knew I wouldn’t have to wait long.

He was found innocent

Leaving Neverland was very telling, highly recommend watching it if anyone hasn't already.

My personal opinion is that once MJ's mother and his brothers Jackie and Jermaine pass away then there will be more allegations that will surface. Jackie currently manages the MJ estate and Jermaine is his staunchest defender.

I know a guy with two MJ tattoos, and he even called his first son Michael. He won’t hear a word against him.

@Andthewinnerislucky

Has this been proven or is it now okay to call someone guilty without proof?

What kind of proof do you need? Is several hours of interviews with his victims not proof?

As for him being found innocent by the court and settling out of court, that is not proof of innocence. Once enough circumstantial evidence racks up - and with MJ there is a large amount of it - then it becomes more and more certain that the accusations are not unfounded.

Don't worry I'm sure Jim'll Fix 'em.

I have a die MJ fan friend who's got several MJ tattoos. She's adamant that he was innocent and is very vocal on Facebook about how his accusers are after money/fame etc. We've agreed never to talk about it again after I vigorously disagreed. She'll never change her mind.

[quote TatianaBis]@Andthewinnerislucky

Has this been proven or is it now okay to call someone guilty without proof?

What kind of proof do you need? Is several hours of interviews with his victims not proof?[/quote]
Of course it isn’t. People lie for all sorts of reasons, particularly financial ones.

I can take or leave MJ but he was proven not guilty and no amount of hear say or stories can change that.

My personal opinion is that once MJ's mother and his brothers Jackie and Jermaine pass away then there will be more allegations that will surface. Jackie currently manages the MJ estate and Jermaine is his staunchest defender.

Yes. Latoya clearly has her own thoughts on the matter. But the whole family depends financially on MJ’s estate.

It also highlights why grooming can be such an effective tool of abuse. It may take victims decades to understand that they were in fact abused. And of course he groomed the parents as well.

I think you might be right Bank of Nook I was a big MJ fan, but Leaving Neverland was hard to watch and I do believe those boys.

When you look at what happened to Corey Haim and Corey Fieldman when they tried to expose peadophilia in Hollywood. How long Jeffery Epstein managed to traffick young girls. Its easy to see how someone as influential as Michael Jackson could get away with it.

Actually I do blame the parents his parents and the kids parents they all knew and sent there kids there anyway and the parents didn't raise him like a normal child!

There was a TV show where he went to the supermarket and was spinning around on a trolly like a kid I think his brother was there they shut the supermarket so he could do it they were saying how he never did that sort of thing as a child so he "missed out" on so much sleepovers illicit drinking zoos beaches all sorts their reasoning was this is why he was how he was " emotionally stunted"

I think someone should have said no that's weird let's get therapy lots and lots of therapy but he was a cash cow to them in life and in death they rode that horse till it dropped

@heartsonacake

Of course it isn’t. People lie for all sorts of reasons, particularly financial ones.

They didn’t get paid.

If the victims’ testimony is not proof, then what would be?

I believe that when his mother passes away and the family start fighting over the estate we'll hear more about it. But they'll have to be careful to appear like they had no idea what was happening....

People lie for all sorts of reasons, particularly financial ones.

They also lie because they've been groomed to believe that they were in love with their abuser and were doing it to protect them, as was the case with one of the men from the Leaving Netherland documentary. He was a defence witness for MJ when he was on trial for the second time in relation to charges of child abuse, he now states that he knowingly committed perjury because he thought he was in love with MJ and that MJ was in love with him as he had been groomed (and sexually abused) by MJ.

He was proven innocent. In the trial the case completely fell apart. Hence the verdict and as for the 1993 boy,

Jackson was strip searched in early 93, because the boy claimed to know intimate details about Jackson, it was wrong.

Also, regarding the most recent interview about MJ including Shafechuck and Wade... Do your research. Both are in masses of debt, both have outstandingly contradictory stories.

I'm not a huge MJ fan. But I've researched well.

Once enough circumstantial evidence racks up - and with MJ there is a large amount of it

Could someone please point me to these documented evidence. That's what I'm asking. I haven't followed this news, as I said not a diehard fan but loved some of his songs.

I agree being found innocent in court is not a guarantee of innocence anymore than settling out of court is a guarantee of guilt.

So why are people labelling him guilty? Genuine question

Actually I do blame the parents his parents and the kids parents they all knew

Many abusers also groom the parents and gain their trust long before they begin grooming the child. They also caution the child by playing on fears that they'll be separated from everyone they love if they tell anyone.

I was only reading about someone who has booked in tattoo removal. MJ was their idol but that was before more child abuse issues. They were worried about other fans finding out as there’s a lots of crazy dedicated fans out there

I like MJ's music, don't have a tattoo of him (or anyone else!) but I've not seen any actual evidence that he did anything wrong, has something come out recently?