to wonder how people with Michael Jackson tattoos feel now?

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Was just watching an episode of tattoo fixers and there's a girl on there who had a huge MJ memorial tat on her back. The guy tattooing her also had a MJ tattoo. I also work with someone who has MJ tattooed on their shoulder.

I mean, would people feel ok with having had Rolf Harris or similar tattooed on them?

What are happening to these tattoos? Do you think a lot of people have had them removed?

Curious to know what people think about this...

He was a man child found innocent. Having said that I do think he was up to something otherwise why pay people off.

Nobody is found 'Innocent'. It's 'Not Guilty', which means that the burden of proof is not sufficiently high to convict them. It is complicated in this case because some of the victims accepted a financial settlement rather than go to court.

If somebody punched me in the face and was then prosecuted, but a jury decided I was lying/there could be some other explanation, the person would still not be innocent in the real world.

And again, can we step away from the derail and just discuss regrettable tattoos? It's much more interesting than raking over the old coals of a court case.

I think the problem with MJ is that he was such a mega global superstar, his music is really good and was also hugely influential.

Regardless of what he did/didn't do, it's much harder to write him out culturally than Gary Glitter, Rolf Harris, Jimmy Savile etc, who don't have the same magnitude of legacy.

His music is popular in my house, though none of us are proper "fans" as such. We do still listen to it. While I'd be surprised if there was this amount of smoke without any fire, nothing has technically been proven at the minute.

So I can see why people might keep a pre existing tattoo at the minute- though I'd hope fewer people would rush out and get one done these days!!

People who say they will boycott his music,if they knew every rapist/pedophile in the music/film/art industry then they’d be left with nothing to boycott. I would still listen to MJ’s music,you can enjoy the art while disliking the artist. I believe in his innocence,he is the one who suffered the most,everybody was out to get him cos he was an easy target,others believe he was guilty,but he is dead now and no one will ever know the facts. As for tattoos,I’m sure they are his biggest fans so they won’t regret it at all,there are many guys who had plastic surgery to look like him which is worse than a tattoo.

Thank god (I assume) nobody has had surgery to look like Rolf Harris .

And again, can we step away from the derail and just discuss regrettable tattoos? It's much more interesting than raking over the old coals of a court case.

Erm the tattoos are regrettable because MJ turned out to be a paedophile.

His music is popular in my house, though none of us are proper "fans" as such. We do still listen to it.

I really hope you don’t have kids.

“Nothing has technically been proven”
“We will never know the facts”

I give up. Honestly, I hope some of you aren’t parents.

@Google31 The reason he was an ‘easy target’ is because he was so obviously guilty that it was ridiculous.

And again, can we step away from the derail and just discuss regrettable tattoos? It's much more interesting than raking over the old coals of a court case

Haha yes I’m here for it.
I do have two musicians tattooed though 😬 ones dead, ones very much alive and I’m pretty positive she cant make an arse of herself . It was chosen based on the image and look she had , not 100% specifically because it was her.

I remember getting the latter and we all chatted about how people choose famous folk and how it could be regrettable - MJ very much forefront of that conversation.

You can see why victims wouldn’t want to come forward, because of the abuse they’ll receive from deluded fans. The girl who recently came forward about Ansel Elgort was harassed on Twitter, told she was a whore, liar, should’ve been grateful etc. It’s disgusting.

I really hope those victim blaming children don’t have children of their own. It’s very worrying.

All tattoos see a tacky misguided search for uniqueness and self expression.

Ok... so I was reading back on the Chandler case. The problem was that Chandlers family were too money hungry. They kept asking for X amount of money in exchange for dropping the case. No wonder adult Chandler was estranged from his parents.

"All tattoos see a tacky misguided search for uniqueness and self expression."

And this was a misguided attempt to sound intelligent and insightful. Oh dear.

personally any kind of celebrity worship is beyond me.

I remember a few years ago some celeb died and there was a thread where someone said something not complimentary and it was met with “this isn’t the time or the place, some of us are grieving.” Seriously.

I do think it’s possible to separate the person from the artist. The fact that many people worship any celebrities is proof of that. You don’t know any of them in person so the only part of them you can admire is the talented part, and that somehow makes people believe they know them when they don’t.

MJ was talented. Regardless of what ever else people believe his talent was undeniable. The rest is down to personal opinion only. He was found not guilty in court. Nobody is wrong for believing that he wasn’t guilty, but neither is anyone wrong for believing that he was.

And the difference between him and Rolf Harris is that Harris was actually found guilty and jailed for it. MJ wasn’t, so opinion is based purely around what people have read.

And Rolf Harris was hardly a talent anyway....

All tattoos see a tacky misguided search for uniqueness and self expression

Do people really think like this? What a sad way to live your life.

People who say they will boycott his music,if they knew every rapist/pedophile in the music/film/art industry then they’d be left with nothing to boycott.

It's quite a stretch to claim that the vast majority of musicians and actors are rapists or paedophiles. While in the same post claiming that MJ is innocent. He is the one who has a stackload of allegations against him, as well as admitting to disturbing patterns of behaviour.

If Dave the plumber told you he had little boys sleep in his bed as a way to deal with his difficult upbringing, would you report him or shrug your shoulders?

His music isn’t relevant anymore really anyway, everyone says, but how can we forget him!? His music is everywhere! When it isn’t much anymore. I could certainly live my life without ever needing to hear jacko again.

As for being an easy target, sadly if you do hang around the park looking for small kids to befriend and bring home to your bed, people will start talking about you. Get sued and go through a humiliating, lengthy and expensive court case, and you are still hanging about 9 year old boys and cuddling up against them like a dog in interviews on itv, you are gonna have people suggest you are a paedo. I’m shocked he wouldn’t have realised or cared about that. And his only come back is that if you think it’s wrong, it’s YOU that has the problem. Hilarious. The only explanation for such blatant behaviour is that he enjoyed abusing in plain sight. Much like Savile.

Easy target indeed guilty as sin

I can't believe anyone still thinks he wasn't a paedophile. Come on.

• He clearly wasn't attracted to women - both of his marriages were embarrassingly staged

• There's nothing to suggest he was attracted to adult men, either

• He spend God knows how much money designing his home to appeal to little boys

• He paid an alleged $23k (not adjusted for inflation) to keep the 1993 case from going to court

• He kept sleeping with little boys after paying out all that money, after having allegations of horrendous abuse on his part splashed all over the media, and after having been confronted with the very real possibility of a long prison sentence. Why? Surely that should have woken him up to the fact that inviting little boys into his room left him vulnerable to allegations? How did sleeping with little boys help him relive his own childhood, anyway?

• He had all sorts of creepy shit, such as life-sized posable dolls of boys, in his home

Apply Occam's razor. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

MJ is as innocent as Prince Andrew

I agree OP and all others who are not blinkered by massive celebrity and can see MJ for what he was - a very messed up predator who preyed on children and used his fame to abuse them. I don't know what more needs to happen for his die hard fans to see the truth. I'm sure one of the victims even described in detail a mole he had on his penis, which was found by police.

And yes I agree with @bitoffun can we please stop calling it 'found innocent' and not "not guilty" which is a completely different thing. Had he not paid off all the other victims before it got to court stage I would imagine he would still be alive, but in prison by now.

I got married in November last year, and asked the DJ to not play any MJ. Our wedding was full of children of all ages and I have no regrets.

How did sleeping with little boys help him relive his own childhood, anyway?

Agreed.

His father raped La Toya, and their eldest sister Rebbie. (This is highly documented before anyone accuses me of making it up)

Why MJ would choose to get over a childhood like that by also getting in to bed with young children like his father did, is very ill judged.

Its just another way he groomed the public in to accepting his paedophilia.

And the “it’s so innocent, it’s just love! If you think that, you have the problem!” rhetoric he gave about adults getting in to childrens beds is really just so false when you consider that he knew himself it’s not innocent. It was known in the family that his sisters were raped by their dad, Catherine knew and allowed it and la toya has never hidden this information.

@SisterAgatha

And the “it’s so innocent, it’s just love! If you think that, you have the problem!” rhetoric he gave about adults getting in to childrens beds is really just so false when you consider that he knew himself it’s not innocent. It was known in the family that his sisters were raped by their dad, Catherine knew and allowed it and la toya has never hidden this information.

MJ and Lisa Marie Presley were interviewed by Diane Sawyer in 1995, shortly after the Chandler payout (the interview is on YouTube). For the most part, his answers sound rehearsed. But there's an interesting moment when Sawyer asks him what he thinks should happen to someone who sexually abuses children. He looks thrown for a moment, then says, "I think they need some kind of help, I guess."

This was a man who never stopped blathering on about how much he loved children, how innocent and trusting they are, how traumatised he was by the lack of his own childhood. Surely he should be utterly horrified at the thought of a child being harmed, of their trust being abused, of their childhood being tainted? Surely his immediate reaction to being asked what should happen to child molesters is that they should never be allowed access to children again? Surely he should want some sort of punishment for them, some justice for the victims?

But no. He was in denial about the fact that what he was doing was harmful. His first thought was to sympathise with child abusers.