In September will the kids who have done homelearning have to sit bored at school while works repeated for the ones that haven't. Or will they start there new' year ' work as normal. Either way it's

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It's not fair either way. The bright kids who have done their homelearning will be held back while it's repeated for the ones which were unable too .....or if it's a new year start with work as normal the ones who didn't do homelearning will have missed work and won't understand. So either is unfair to either groups. So what are the plans for education for September? Repeating work missed from march or new work from sept? Which group will be disavantsged the ones who have done work or haven't ?

There seems to be a bit of a dunning kruger effect with some people regarding their ability to understand teaching as a skilled profession. Or is it that their dislike for teachers as a group impedes their ability to understand?

It's the expertise thing isn't it? Expert teachers make it look easy, so parents think it is easy.

Love Dunning Kruger. Been guilty of it myself

I do think good teachers are good at what they do because they possess the skills to be so. And they are educated and trained to do it.

Mind you I think the same thing about good chefs and photographers, likely trained and definitely skilled above others.

I think we've all been guilty of it at some stage, about something!

Teaching, to me, must be growing ever more complex and difficult, as a profession, even without the curveball of corona.

Having to deal with what seems to be a tsunami of children with high and specialist needs, mental health issues, with ever diminishing resources, with some parents, government, and Ofstead increasingly adversarial and strident. I can see why teachers are leaving the profession in droves.

@MarshaBradyo

I do think good teachers are good at what they do because they possess the skills to be so. And they are educated and trained to do it.

Mind you I think the same thing about good chefs and photographers, likely trained and definitely skilled above others.

Oh absolutely. and no doubt the best chefs and photographers also earn a darn sight more than the best teachers, so possibly a better career But you don't have to prove your competence in the same way to get a job as a photographer or a chef. You don't need the same level of qualifications, and that's for a reason.

Alongcameacat
Let’s take an example that can’t actually kill shall we?
Imagine an unqualified, enthusiastic chef/baker/photographer/council worker...

chef - food poisoning
Baker - food poisoning
Photographer - Electrocution, lighting gantries falling etc.
Council worker - which one, several could cause the deaths of people by being incompetent.

Firstly - I’m talking about nine year olds and not under fives.
Secondly - Nobody except the teacher’s on here have spoken about ‘flashy’ lessons provided by teaching assistants. My child’s unqualified teacher was strict, she earned their respect and taught well. By the time she left, they loved her!!!

Anyway this is turning into an echo chamber of teacher self congratulating themselves and is highlighting their sense of self importance where they can do no wrong. I assume this works, for the most part, with children. The disadvantage of this, is the refusal to accept that other adults have their own opinions and don’t necessarily put up with being told they are wrong and the teacher is right.

Lastly - I would urge parents to complain and keep complaining about poor teachers. It can take a long time for action to be taken but when enough complain frequently, something will be done.

Alongcameacat I agree that if your good is unhappy, or you have concerns about a teacher you should utilise the complaints procedure.

What I find absolutely mystifying is people who are not teachers thinking they have a secure grasp on what good teaching and classroom management involves. What job do you do?

Yes, complain if a teacher is bad but do not assume there is a better teacher waiting in the wings.

I know that some parents have got frustrated at a poor teacher being retained by a school but they really don’t understand the critical shortage of teachers. The assertion that no teacher is better than a bad teacher is nonsense - there was a story in the news about parents who were complaining that a school had to cut a subject halfway through the course due to the teacher leaving. The parents were saying how terrible it was for the kids and the school should do something, completely ignoring the fact that there just weren’t any teachers for that subject.

Just before our school locked down, we had lots of staff self isolating- or vulnerable, so our head told them to stay at home.

That meant we had to collapse groups and teach them in the hall. The only reason we could manage that and remain open was because we had lots of children also off.

If there aren’t enough teachers, schools can’t continue to open.

Anyway this is turning into an echo chamber of teacher self congratulating themselves and is highlighting their sense of self importance where they can do no wrong

No teacher has done this.

Firstly - I’m talking about nine year olds and not under fives.
So 9 year olds don't need to have a qualified teacher? They just need someone with enthusiasm. Ok.

They don't need someone who knows the curriculum well.
They don't need someone who can differentiate the work well go stretch the most able.
They don't need someone who can differentiate the work well to meet the needs of the children with dyslexia, the child with ADHD, the child who is vision impaired.
They don't need someone qualified who knows how to plan so they make progress throughout the year and are ready for the following year.

Secondly - Nobody except the teacher’s on here have spoken about ‘flashy’ lessons provided by teaching assistants. My child’s unqualified teacher was strict, she earned their respect and taught well. By the time she left, they loved her!!!
I don't think anyone on here has mentioned flashy lessons delivered by teaching assistants.

A few of us have pointed out that enthusiasm doesn't equal secure pedagogical knowledge.

Someone can have all the enthusiasm in the world and it doesn't make them a good teacher.
I've also seen people falsely think that strict equals good teaching because no disruption equals learning. Just because a class are settled doesn't mean they are learning material at the appropriate level for them. Just because children are completing work doesn't mean they are making progress. Being busy and settled are proxies for learning.

A qualified teacher would know that.

What I find absolutely mystifying is people who are not teachers thinking they have a secure grasp on what good teaching and classroom management involves.
Same here. I find it amazing how many people consider themselves experts on teaching, whilst arguing their children don't need to be taught by suitably qualified professionals.

It will be interesting if these posters are happy for their child to be taught GCSE by someone who isn't qualified and only has a GCSE in the subject themselves. After all, as long as the person is enthusiastic and the students like them, that's all that matters.