In September will the kids who have done homelearning have to sit bored at school while works repeated for the ones that haven't. Or will they start there new' year ' work as normal. Either way it's

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It's not fair either way. The bright kids who have done their homelearning will be held back while it's repeated for the ones which were unable too .....or if it's a new year start with work as normal the ones who didn't do homelearning will have missed work and won't understand. So either is unfair to either groups. So what are the plans for education for September? Repeating work missed from march or new work from sept? Which group will be disavantsged the ones who have done work or haven't ?

I disagree empress. People take their own experience and extrapolate that to apply to all. People perfectly happy with what they've received from school tend not to post about it. Funny that.

but conversely no one is allowed to suggest that the individual efforts of any teacher can be less than exemplary.
Hardly. Have you been on Mumsnet the last few months.

There's been lots of teachers saying:

1. Teachers should be following school policy as set by the head. If they're not then speak to the head.
2. There's zero point coming on Mumsnet whining about class teachers being lazy if you don't like the school policy
3. If you have school specific issues then raise it with the head/senior leadership team
4. There's complaints procedures to follow if you still have concerns

Unfortunately there's a lot of posts that seem to go:

1. This thing at my child's school doesn't seem right / I'm annoyed at this thing at my child's school
2. AIBU to think teachers are just being lazy and on extended holiday?/ What ARE teachers actually doing? /Why aren't teachers doing their job./ Insert goady generalisations that demonstrate their real motivation here.

In other words, some posters aren't actually interested in getting a resolution because they'd rather have a rant on Mumsnet and get a pat on the back from others who like complain about how awful teachers are. Then when teachers challenge the stupid goading the usual complainers say 'see, nobody can ever say anything bad'.

I've pointed out that formal complaints remain an option on several threads. Funnily enough people would rather argue on MM that teachers are lazy and think they should be beyond criticism than actually do anything.

Your kids have done no home learning?? Seriously none? Why?

Whether teachers are seen as professionals or slackers in the eyes of the public will be the sum total of those thousands of direct experiences

Except actually the media have a huge part to play in this - teachers have been castigated over and over again in the MSM. The govt have also done a great job of trying to shift responsibility for the utter shit show in the last few months onto the shoulders of school staff.

The govt have also done a great job of trying to shift responsibility for the utter shit show in the last few months onto the shoulders of school staff.
Just like they're trying to do with care staff over deaths in care homes. Only on MN there's queues of people ready to pay the government on back and blame teachers/unions because it suits their own narrative.

There was a school on the news today who needed hundreds of devices for their students. They were issued with 7 this week. Of course on Mumsnet that would also be the school's fault too.

I do think too, that some are forgetting that this whole collective shit show, first and foremost came about because of a global pandemic. That still, as far as I know, has not got the memo that it's been cancelled, though you could be forgiven for thinking that everyone else has, with the lack of social distancing, lack of masks, and gaily frolicking about quaffing vats of beer, as currently instructed by our overlords.

Some people seem to have felt that their children have been personally victimised and uniquely shortchanged by their schools and teachers, regardless of what effort was made. I mean, a serious air of, 'my child's teachers have done nothing, sent nothing, it's appalling', and in the next breath, 'my child's mental health can't cope with doing the homeschooling set by the teachers, so I'm not making her do it, it's appalling'.

I hate about threads like these is that it's seemingly absolutely fine to castigate parents for not doing enough homeschooling- no matter what their individual circumstances may be - but conversely no one is allowed to suggest that the individual efforts of any teacher can be less than exemplary

Please direct me to a thread started by a teacher which claims all parents are not doing homeschooling, ignoring the individual circumstances of any given family. Conversely, there are probably hundreds of threads now claiming that individual teacher efforts are awful without recognising that individual teachers also have circumstances that are currently out with their control. I have been berated for resigning and even revealing the detail of that resignation hasn’t resulted in any parental recognition that maybe, just maybe, teachers are human beings too, with ‘circumstances’ let alone that the majority will be doing exactly what they have been told to do.

There are numerous posts by parents criticising other parents for not doing schooling with their DC’s even when it is explained that both parents are working full time with a very long working day. Some parents haven’t a clue (or total lack of understanding) about the working hours of other parents.

If arguing that having a generalised view of a group of people is wrong

People can only speak about their personal experiences. Teachers can only speak for themselves.

Parents can compare this year!s teacher to previous year’s teachers. Parents often raise issues in group conversations and find other parent’s are having the same issues.

In these instances, the parents are not the ones generalising.

There is no getting away from the fact that the bar is set very low in some schools compared to others. A teacher in one such school can be heavily criticised when they move from one such school, carrying with them the lower work ethic and attitude to another school where the expectations are higher.

People can only speak from own personal experience, and yet it is a "fact" that some schools set the bar low etc? Do you read your own posts?

Ofsted ratings are factual - yes?

A teacher in one such school can be heavily criticised when they move from one such school, carrying with them the lower work ethic and attitude to another school where the expectations are higher
But expectations during lockdown are set by senior leadership, not class teachers.

Yes, some teachers struggle with school moves but that can be for a range of reasons and is irrelevant for lockdown learning.

If someone thinks a teacher isn't doing what they should they need to:

1. Speak to the head of department or headteacher depending on primary/secondary to establish if the teacher is doing what their head has directed
2. If they are doing what's directed then either leave it, or formally complain.

Sitting on Mumsnet saying 'but what ARE teachers doing all day... I just don't understand how they have any work to do... I'm annoyed that the teacher has used a worksheet from twinkl instead of making their own worksheet that does the same thing' doesn't solve anything.

Alongcameacat

People can only speak about their personal experiences. Teachers can only speak for themselves.

So teachers are not people?
Also teachers know other teachers, probably more than parents.

Parents can compare this year!s teacher to previous year’s teachers. Parents often raise issues in group conversations and find other parent’s are having the same issues.

Doesn't make there opinion correct.

In these instances, the parents are not the ones generalising.

Yet we have a massive amount of generalising, Not my teachers or teachers that I know or even some teachers that I know but just teachers.

There is no getting away from the fact that the bar is set very low in some schools compared to others. A teacher in one such school can be heavily criticised when they move from one such school, carrying with them the lower work ethic and attitude to another school where the expectations are higher.

And the opposite is true as well. As is the fact that some teachers that are poor in one school will excel in others.

There is no one true fact for all.

Ofsted ratings are factual - yes?

Ofsted are an organisation that has failed its own review. and if they were correct why would the criteria for being a good school etc. keep changing.

Some parents haven’t a clue (or total lack of understanding) about the working hours of other parents

Ditto, some parents have no clue whatsoever what goes on in the average classroom, how schools are managed and what their limitations may be. Yet you expect to be understood but you don’t think it’s necessary to extend that courtesy to teachers?

Can we please acknowledge that the reason that parents have experienced such different offerings from schools is because the government’s own Department for Education set out the square root of fuck all in terms of expectations and guidance?

Nick Gibb today had the gall to criticise Ofsted for not doing more during lockdown, when as Ofsted pointed out that in order to inspect schools against standards, they need some standards to inspect against.

A total failure of leadership from this abysmal government.

Can we please acknowledge that the reason that parents have experienced such different offerings from schools is because the government’s own Department for Education set out the square root of fuck all in terms of expectations and guidance?

LOL. A masterly summation of events, NobleGiraffe.

Can we please acknowledge that the reason that parents have experienced such different offerings from schools is because the government’s own Department for Education set out the square root of fuck all in terms of expectations and guidance?
Nicely put.

It's such a shame that people starting endless threads about lazy teachers and evil unions couldn't pause for a second and consider that the government fragmenting the whole education over the last decade and providing almost zero guidance might have caused a lot of these issues.

I presume that the school will just crack on with next years curriculum. Primary classes always have had different abilities and now usually they have different work set for these abilities so presumably this will continue. It might mean that some kids aren’t “outstanding ” or in the “not meeting expectations” catergory they previously were, but appropriate work can be set for all standards (parents can obviously work with the school to help advance their kids)

I can only speak for Ireland as I teach here but when you teach new content you would naturally revisit concepts taught in prior years. By March all of my 'difficult' concepts had been taught anyway so the remaining work didn't present much difficulty. So while we did push on with new learning, I wouldn't call it entirely 'new'.

There are always kids who struggle to recall previously learned concepts, kids who grasp new ones easily, kids who need repetition to understand procedures...that is just part of being a teacher. The major challenge for next year will be resettling children and trying to keep some semblance of Covid precautions going in the school.

Can we please acknowledge that the reason that parents have experienced such different offerings from schools is because the government’s own Department for Education set out the square root of fuck all in terms of expectations and guidance?

Spoken like a true maths teacher 😂😂

I would like to know what the the square root of fuck all actually is. I assume if you square fuck all you are still left with fuck all, so does that mean that that the square root would also be fuck all?
I feel we need to know.

Mistressiggi
I would like to know what the the square root of fuck all actually is.

42

Well.

The square root of fuck all is emphatically less than fuck all

Unless fuck all is 0 or 1 in which case the square root of fuck all is equal to fuck all
In the rare case (and definitely not in this instance) that fuck all is between 0 and 1 then the square root of fuck all is more than fuck all
But when fuck all is negative then the square root of fuck all is entirely imaginary.

noblegiraffe

But 42 is the answer to life, the universe and everything.