In September will the kids who have done homelearning have to sit bored at school while works repeated for the ones that haven't. Or will they start there new' year ' work as normal. Either way it's

[947EliseChalotte]

It's not fair either way. The bright kids who have done their homelearning will be held back while it's repeated for the ones which were unable too .....or if it's a new year start with work as normal the ones who didn't do homelearning will have missed work and won't understand. So either is unfair to either groups. So what are the plans for education for September? Repeating work missed from march or new work from sept? Which group will be disavantsged the ones who have done work or haven't ?

Oh change you need this thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3941702-Annoyed-your-kid-isn-t-having-zoom-lessons-or-school-contact-or-not-going-back-to-school-yet

Your anger is directed at entirely the wrong people.

Perhaps if teachers who ARE working called out their lazy colleagues, like my kids teachers and all the ones I know and have seen around me over lockdown, the minority who have actually worked wouldn’t be tarred with the same brush.
The lazy ones have decimated your profession and the leaders and unions have both allowed this and encouraged it to happen

You do realise that a school's remote learning strategy comes from senior leadership, not classroom teachers and that senior leaders will be making decisions based on a range of factors and their individual school contexts?

So no, I won't be calling out my fellow teachers and leaders for the decisions they make in possession of more knowledge about their context than I do of their context. Why would I go around calling people out when I don't have the information required to make a judgement?

I absolutely support parents raising concerns if a classroom teacher isn't following a school's policy. I also support parents making formal complaints to the head and governing body if they have grounds to complain about the school's overall strategy.

I've no time at all for the usual goady nonsense on Mumsnet about all these lazy teacher and nasty unions. Even your post about the 'minority' who've worked is more of the same vitriol spouted across mumsnet.

Change

What is your job?

I just believe that I am in a minority. I haven’t worked a million hours a week, not have I complained anywhere about the amount of work that I have done. I am well established in a large educational environment though. I know lots of teachers. In lots of different types of schools. The picture you are trying to paint just does not ring true. Of course it may be true that there are pockets of poor provision and you may just be very unfortunate in that. Your school may have not have told you about the resources the government made available, they may not have been in contact, they may not have provided feedback or virtual assemblies and tutorials, they might have failed to inform the DFE every single day of their data requirements, failed to sort out FSM issues, failed to hold TAF meetings and liaise with external providers, they might have not put plans in place for SD, they might not have progressed statutory assessments or failed to submit grades to OFQUAL. They might not even have done any INSET or long-term planning. I find it unlikely that they won’t have done any of these things though.

I just DON’T believe

@changeofheart1234567.

So you know what all teachers are doing all of the time?

And in lockdown, where we have to been out of the house for weeks at all, and have only this week been allowed to see friends in their own homes, you know all the teachers are sitting in their gardens doing bugger all work all day, everyday?

Howaboutanewname
Don't forget the references to gin and sunbathing.

I believe the correct argument is something like:
Most teachers aren't working because I've seen my neighbour lounging around in her garden drinking gin and catching some sun. It's one big summer holiday for teachers.

Or someone spoke to a friend who happened to mention they had a nice afternoon in the garden (and probably didn't feel the need to share a list of what they're doing for work in general friend conversation) and so on Mumsnet this becomes:
I have a friend who is a teacher and they have so little work that they've been able to spend their days gardening. I've even had photos sent to me of the plants she's potted out and the hanging baskets she's made.

The fact that you’ve resigned as a result fuels all my arguments about many teachers being lazy and entitled and frankly living in a different world. ‘What I have to work as well as look after my kids, like everyone else? I’m off!

Yeah. Thanks for proving my point.

I have resigned for a whole host of reasons including the threat of disciplinary action because my dementia ridden mother was heard banging on the window in the background of one of my lessons, screaming to be let out and accusing my poor 14 year old of keeping her prisoner.....because I have a Mother who I live with who is shielding and child who is very vulnerable but I was expected in school on a rota basis (when SLT with young children weren’t expected in)....because I have reached an age where taking my pension is a possibility....because I have reached an age where several small inheritances mean I can afford to no longer work...because my school would not consider a change to my timetable to drop a day whilst I work out what the fuck to do with my mother and her care during this pandemic....because for several years now I have been building a sideline business and think I am at the point where I am ready to take a chance and reduce my workload to see if it can take over...because I was ready for a change and global pandemic just empahsiszed that for me...because frankly, it is none of your business.

It’s weird, isn’t it, that teachers are useless, lazy, low-skilled, those-who-can’t and also at the same time, the precise people that you are desperate to skype your kids for hours every day because they can do something you can’t.

How that sounds really distressing. Hope you and your family are ok.

Howaboutanewname

One of my closest friends is a TA to a pupil with complex special needs. She was previously my son's TA when he was still in mainstream and is bloody brilliant at her job (we became friends after DS moved to a special school, before anyone starts tutting! ). Throughout lockdown she has been supporting a pupil with their online working, worksheets etc via Zoom - so she's been in her home, the pupil has been in their home and together they've been doing the schoolwork. She says it's been one of the most complicated things she's ever had to do and she's utterly exhausted. She is one of many school staff who have been absolutely bloody amazing throughout the past few months. Both of my boys' schools have been brilliant and I just want to say thank you to all of the teachers and other school staff. Howabout I feel really sad for you and your pupils that you've felt you have to resign.

My Goodness. This lockdown really brought out the worst in some people.
The Mum shaming is bad enough, but to basically ask if the thick kids who havent did any school work are going to hold your little cherub back, shows you to be not very bright.
I have one family member, working full time from home with 2 kids, heavily pregnant and she just gave up trying the regimented school routine from her dining room. Life is horrible right now for most people.
I know another who makes her kids put their school uniform on between 9am & 3pm.
Not all learning comes from books.
I wish people would just do what they think is right for them and their family and just butt out of everyone elses lives.
Just deal with your own child and his/her needs.
Stop trying to predict a negative future for them and have a little empathy for the poor kid whos parents are too pissed or out their face on drugs to even be bothered feeding the poor wee soul, spare a thought for them instead of how its going to impact your little darling

I knew I should have kept going with my lockdown teaching diary thread.

Ah, well.

For those saying ‘My neighbour hasn’t been doing anything’

I got stopped by a neighbour last week and asked how I’ve been enjoying my ‘break’ from work. I laughed at the the time, instead of biting his head off.

He’s seen me go out for walk with DD and on the odd bike ride.

What he cannot see from his living room window- despite a lot of effort on his part- is the lesson I teach online everyday while DD watches too much TV and plays by herself. And the marking I do in the evenings and the phone calls home I make.

He also appears to have missed all the days I’ve been in school doing keyworker support and face to face sessions.

AND all the work I am doing on schemes for Sept that have to be completed and in place before the start of next term. Where do parents think all those resources come from? The sky?

So i do suspect my neighbour is telling all his friends how the teacher he knows does ‘nothing’.

The lazy ones have decimated your profession and the leaders and unions have both allowed this and encouraged it to happen.

I've read a lot of bollocks on here recently but I think this remark takes the biscuit.

Howaboutanewname, That sounds horrendously difficult and you shouldn't have had to have taught Zoom lessons in those circumstances.

Re: the vile remarks from other posters querying your motives - there are some extremely unpleasant people around, and they seem to be milling around these threads particularly. Do try to ignore them - they're the ones with the problem.
Good luck with it all.

Just like to add that from my conversations with various parents with kids at a variety of secondary schools many have been learning new topics since March. Mine have had a variety of new learning & consolidation of old info. Most private schools and some state schools I have heard about have been having full day lessons via virtual classrooms & fully prepared for this as Lockdown became more likely. As we are now preparing for the reality of the kids returning I am glad that it’s finally sinking in how appallingly our kids have been treated. This will rebound for years to come. The next school year will be a logistical nightmare. So many kids of all abilities & backgrounds have simply ‘checked out’ and tbh I’m not surprised. How would we as parents like to have to sit in front of a computer all day with no social contact?

How would we as parents like to have to sit in front of a computer all day with no social contact?

This is a very good point.

The thing I hate about threads like these is that it's seemingly absolutely fine to castigate parents for not doing enough homeschooling- no matter what their individual circumstances may be - but conversely no one is allowed to suggest that the individual efforts of any teacher can be less than exemplary.

rookiemere

Except that isn't what has been happening.

PollyPelargonium52
The swots are usually in the higher band classes.

This charming comment from, presumably a parent, is the reason a lot of children get bullied for working hard.

but conversely no one is allowed to suggest that the individual efforts of any teacher can be less than exemplary

I completely agree.

Examples of the castigation of parents?

and if you think no one is "allowed" to criticise the efforts of teachers on mumsnet, I wonder where you have been for the last four or five months?

These threads about whether teachers are making good faith efforts or not is pointless.

Every parent in this site has a personal, direct experience. It will have a huge impact on their opinion of teachers. Arguing that their personal point of view is wrong, mistake or irrelevant will not sway them, but it will irritate them.

Whether teachers are seen as professionals or slackers in the eyes of the public will be the sum total of those thousands of direct experiences.

EmpressoftheMundane

Every parent in this site has a personal, direct experience. It will have a huge impact on their opinion of teachers. Arguing that their personal point of view is wrong, mistake or irrelevant will not sway them, but it will irritate them.

If arguing that having a generalised view of a group of people is wrong then I am happy to irritate those with such small and closed off minds.