In September will the kids who have done homelearning have to sit bored at school while works repeated for the ones that haven't. Or will they start there new' year ' work as normal. Either way it's

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It's not fair either way. The bright kids who have done their homelearning will be held back while it's repeated for the ones which were unable too .....or if it's a new year start with work as normal the ones who didn't do homelearning will have missed work and won't understand. So either is unfair to either groups. So what are the plans for education for September? Repeating work missed from march or new work from sept? Which group will be disavantsged the ones who have done work or haven't ?

I don’t think Deep Thought had ever been forced to ponder the sheer ineptitude of the DfE.

Fripp You beat me to 42.

As a parent how do you know what to expect? - I just know that what we are got during lockdown was pretty shit, compared to what the teachers on here were offering their students, I don't even want to get into the pros and cons of online teaching - I'm just talking about teachers who are fucking present! Some schools seems to have applied themselves as little as possible - we were told teachers were professionals and we should trust them - they knew what they were doing, we did and you know what? they did very little! Complaints? We made them - on deaf ears...where was the management, the management blamed the teachers? Blame it on anyone and blame it on everyone, some teachers were fucking lazy and some - all the MN teachers of course were fucking amazing 😂. It does not matter a shit, as a parent I cannot teach a subject I have no knowledge of - you adults who were supposed to be involved in teaching kids let mine down - who knows how many others - will we ever know how poor the privision of education of kids across the country really was, it only really matters it we can change things going forward to equalise the haves and the have nots - what school is going to admit to doing the bare minimum - will the shit show of education provision during Covid be swept under the carpet too!

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Nice rant, but unless your child goes to a school of one of the teachers on here, not one of us has let your child down.

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Nice rant, but unless your child goes to a school of one of the teachers on here, not one of us has let your child down.

I don't think I accused you of letting my child down - your clearly one of the perfect MN teachers, you are exempt!

And that reply should be "you are" rather than your - I know the difference - move on!

will we ever know how poor the privision of education of kids across the country really was

Or indeed is. You might find that the absence of a maths teacher during lockdown isn’t rectified when back at school. In fact it may well have been a problem before, you just didn’t know.

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will we ever know how poor the privision of education of kids across the country really was

Or indeed is. You might find that the absence of a maths teacher during lockdown isn’t rectified when back at school. In fact it may well have been a problem before, you just didn’t know.

Are you saying you wouldn’t have clue whether a teacher was working before, during and after lock down and you won’t be able to compare their input in the absence of output and results?

Are you saying you wouldn’t have clue whether a teacher was working before, during and after lock down and you won’t be able to compare their input in the absence of output and results?
No, she's suggesting that teaching in some areas is so hard to recruit for that there are classes being taught by unqualified staff and being propped up by the qualified staff.

Some areas can't recruit for Maths, English, Science or MFL at secondary level. Unfortunately the great British public keep voting for governments who want to define schools, pile additional pressure on, change the goalposts, and then we have the media who seem to spend a huge amount of time having a go at teachers and making out the unions are terrible, and then we have parents who spend a ridiculous amount of time undermining teachers, their precious child could do no wrong (even with a dozen witness statements saying otherwise), you know the types who start threads on here who are furious and ready to go to the press because their child chose not to follow rules. Funnily enough, it's not an attractive profession.

Are you saying you wouldn’t have clue whether a teacher was working before, during and after lock down

My kid’s teacher didn’t do much before lockdown. Many parents complained, nothing was ever done. We spoke to parents she taught last year. Apparently the same issues which included absenteeism, lack of class preparation, poor teaching. Many complaints but nothing was done.
During school closure, she has done nothing. Unsurprisingly. I think there have been so many complaints by this stage that there was no option but to finally do something about the teacher. I was relieved to read the list of teachers in the school no longer includes her name.
I would urge all parents to complain and keep complaining.

But of course no doubt that teacher will be in another classroom in another school by September!

Or she has left the profession and now there is a class without a qualified teacher which is now being taught by someone unqualified.

Or she has left the profession and now there is a class without a qualified teacher which is now being taught by someone unqualified.

I’d much prefer an unqualified, enthusiastic teacher to teach my children than the teacher they had tbh. I can confidently speak on behalf of at least ten parents she ‘taught’.

Parents of children obv.

And I really really hope she left the profession so other children won’t have her as their teacher.

I don’t understand the anger on this, children have 14 years in education, 3 months isn’t a disaster.
Also, this was unprecedented, extraordinary, yes we were unprepared, but that is life sometimes. There are not instructions for everything.

The school where I teach our SLT had high expectations of the content of the work we set children and monitored it closely. We were expected to be online via email from 9.00 am to 3.00pm daily to help parents with queries and provide support. We also had to be part of a rota providing key worker child care. We provided online time table practice and reading books for free. Any family who did not have a printer or internet access were provided with reading books and pre printed work that they could pick up from outside the school left in a box and then be kept out of the house for 3 days to quarantine , From the Monday just gone we have every year back in school for two days a week plus a cleaning day in between the two bubbles and as teachers we still have to maintain our online presence for the children not returning to school. I was ill with covid at the beginning of lock-down and the deputy took over my class to ensure that my children received the same as the other children in the school. We as a school contacted parents if we had seen no online work or work dropped off at the school to see if we could help and if there was any thing they needed. Online work could be a photo sent to the email account of that year group by mobile phone. We had acknowledge every piece of work with a comment . This was our job and what we were being paid for, The highlight of my day was seeing parents post work after I had helped and I took pleasure in developing a close bond with my families. I am lucky that I am taking my class up to the next year and I will maintain the lessons of communication I have learnt. I feel we are much more of a partnership now than before, I recognise the difficulties of home schooling when working and I think my parents made a marvelous effort in very difficult circumstances. I love being back with my class even if it is in different circumstances
Please if you are satisfied with what your school has provided write and phone the SLT with your concerns. Follow the complaints procedure which means you can write to the governors as well and then the local authority and if not fully satisfied complain to Ofsted. When thinking about what you want complain about,think about what you want to happen, is it achievable remembering schools do not have a lot of money and that is down to the government and then think of how it could have been better. We teachers want to learn as well and were put in a difficult situation just like you were. However that does not mean children and parents should have been left to home school without support. Most teachers did their best with the guidance they were given by their SLT. I understand your anger and frustration as today I was homeschooling my granddaughter while her mother worked in school teaching and trying to work at home on the cleaning day for the school so it is ready for the next bubble. It is so hard. If school and parents work together we can make things better but it needs to be a constructive dialogue not a general rant against lazy teachers as there will always be lazy workers in any job.
I feel for you as parents but you are entitled to support and have work provided and help to teach available. I as a teacher and I want to say thank you to all of you . You have achieved wonders at times balancing home schooling working from home or in key jobs caring for multiple people in your households. It has not been easy for any of us and I think many lessons have been learnt especially in education which has been ignored and underfunded for years and now should have top priority to make sure our children have the best.

I’d much prefer an unqualified, enthusiastic teacher

But presumably you’d prefer an enthusiastic qualified teacher more.

There really aren’t enough to go around. Parents don’t seem to have a clue.

if not fully satisfied complain to Ofsted.

Literally bog-all Ofsted can do. As the chief of Ofsted has made clear, they cannot judge schools for their lockdown provision when there were no standards or expectations for them to meet.

But presumably you’d prefer an enthusiastic qualified teacher more.

My kids are young. I honestly don’t care less whether they are qualified or not. Their attitude is the most important thing. It rubs off on the children.

That should read not satisfied, Sorry have been working all day plus childcare

I honestly don’t care less whether they are qualified or not. Their attitude is the most important thing.

Oh dear god.

Ofsted log all complaints Enough complaints trigger an inspection which we all dread and they will start as soon as they can. Ofsted is no friend of a teacher or head teacher. We have a complaint brought up and discussed that was 18 months old. A safe guarding complaint if serious enough will trigger an inspection within weeks if upheld when investigated. We were quizzed over a permanent exclusion which was the result of violence and it triggered a inspection even though they upheld it and they agreed with our reasons. We were due sometime in that year and were classed as good school and it triggered a two day inspection not a one day as normal.

Doesn’t suit your narrative that a bad teacher is better than an unqualified one. That is really worrying. Please do not say you are a teacher yourself!

Imagine an unqualified, enthusiastic driving instructor.