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My husband left last week and he thinks his rent will come over our mortgage?

317 replies

Coronasaurus · 03/07/2020 22:44

That basically, I've always been a sahm and he's always paid our joint mortgage. But he's now saying that when he finds a flat, as long as he can pay that nothing else matters 😕, even if it means me losing the house. He says that's ok as the kids can then go live with him! Please help? Can I stay in my home ?

OP posts:
Atadaddicted · 04/07/2020 10:47

I’ve been told! Grin

Thisismytimetoshine · 04/07/2020 10:49

Without wanting to be rude, how long did you think he was going to continue paying the mortgage when he no longer lives there?

Settlersofcatan · 04/07/2020 10:50

@LakieLady but this way of thinking is a bit weird in a way, no one says "oh I earn 30k but really it's 20k because 10 goes on my rent" but somehow people say "they don't really get 30k in benefits, 10 is for housing"

ChaosRising · 04/07/2020 10:51

@Thisismytimetoshine. He is legally responsible for paying the mortgage and will be until the property is sold.

thedancingbear · 04/07/2020 10:56

I’ve been told! grin

I'm not laughing.

Embarrassed for you.

DontBiteTheBoobThatFeedsYou · 04/07/2020 10:56

Why does it only have to be part time?

I worked full time when my kids were 2 and 6, I also had only worked in retail. My rent was 850 but I got tax credits (I realise it's UC now).

The 2 year old went to a CM, and the CM collected the 6 year old from school. The UC helps towards childcare costs.

I worked in a special needs school, it was great because I had half term and summer holidays off.

There is a chance you can do this.

The coronavirus rules might be a spanner though

monkeymonkey2010 · 04/07/2020 10:59

so you haven't worked since your eldest child was born 7 years ago?
Time to get a job then.
You are EQUALLY responsible for financing the kids you've brought into this world!

Sooobooored · 04/07/2020 11:03

He is legally obliged to pay the mortgage but it doesn’t mean he will.

My exh didn’t but I did as fortunately I was working and obviously it would not be in my interests to default. Btw he benefited from the equity when we went to court two years later even though he had not paid a penny.

TheGlaikitRambler · 04/07/2020 11:05

@m0therofdragons

The woman in the numbers I quoted has 4 dc but can’t claim child benefit as her husband’s earnings meant they weren’t entitled so he never added the 4th dc (now age 7) and as her ex was and is abusive She can’t access birth certificates or passports. Solicitors are dealing with this. Her rent is high due to 4 bedrooms with two dc sharing. She plans to get a new job but covid preventing that at the moment and c actually her dc have seen lots of abuse and need their mum right now. Why anyone would be jealous of this situation is beyond me. It’ll only be until the solicitors can get what’s rightly hers. She had dc they could comfortably afford with all 4 in private education but her ex is blocking her access to the family money.
How was she able to claim UC without her children's birth certificates? Also, you can just buy extra birth certificates.
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Tavannach · 04/07/2020 11:12

Gingerbread has links to legal advice.

Good luck.Flowers

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heartsonacake · 04/07/2020 11:18

@Atadaddicted

I wonder if you use these retorts in your legal arguments?!
I think you need to quit the thread. You’ve added no useful input and repeatedly insulted a poster who actually does have appropriate professional knowledge.

Perhaps take the time to brush up so you don’t seem so embarrassingly ignorant on other threads.

Atadaddicted · 04/07/2020 11:20

Oh I feel rather honoured!

Elieza · 04/07/2020 11:23

Your mortgage is £950 OP?
Is that the mortgage of the house you are in, of which presumably half the equity belongs to your husband so you’d have to give him his half. Without a job you will be unable to get a mortgage in your own name. I don’t see how you can remain in that house. The only reason there is a mortgage on it is because his name is on it. You can’t do this alone, no lender will consider you as you are without income from a job.

Get legal advice ASAP

I would imagine you will have to sell the family home or he stays and buys you out. With your half of the money you can put down a deposit in due course once you have a job so you can then get a mortgage. I would imagine with you not having worked for some considerable time your earning potential will not be great, probably minimum wage. So your mortgage potential will not be good. You may have to move away from the area. So not ideal for children.

I’d suggest your best bet is to get a rented property in the same school area if possible, a part time job and UC.

He can sell the family home and give you half the money (which may affect your UC entitlement, check). Or he can stay there and buy you out, again getting that cash may affect your UC.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 04/07/2020 11:25

It's nearly £2000 in benefits and the rest is earnings. Yes it's ridiculous and it's because that person will be receiving 4 child elements on the claim.

There didn't seem to be any income from child maintenance, either. So there will be more to come.

scubadive · 04/07/2020 11:26

Hi op,

I would highly recommend this book:

Fair Share: How the divorce courts in England & Wales deal with your money Author David Chidgey,

I suggested using free sessions at solicitors, presuming as a SAHM with a husband saying what he has that you don’t have lots of money to spend on solicitors, otherwise I guess you would already have gone to one.

Obviously if you have lots of spare funds then get a solicitor of your choice engaged ASAP but this isn’t usually an option for most.

I’m going through a divorce, a messy financial divorce and had been a SAHM for 11 yrs having given up a career. I didn’t have money for a solicitor and found the free sessions very useful.

I went to 4 in total as I wanted to confirm what I was being told and all had slightly different opinions as unfortunately financial divorce law is not clear cut. I am now using one of the 4 I tried for continual advice, they were also recommended by our mediator. I have had to get loans and credit cards to pay for this as the hourly rate is £300 which is the norm round here, so not to be taken likely. My likely total costs are going to be £20-£40k.

I would advice you to read the book first, write all key facts about your marriage and children, finances, earning, mortgage etc down and send it to the solicitor in advance of your introductory session, ( I found that solicitors need to write down all your details, names of all family, dates of birth, date of marriage , assets, mortgage, etc and this can take 30 mins and eats into your free or reduced rate session) two of my sessions were reduced rates, two were £5.

The main priority for the courts will be the children and them having somewhere suitable to live, you will not automatically have to sell the house but you may need to. As you were a SAHM and your mortgage is £950 I am assuming your husband is a reasonable earner.

The courts do prefer ‘clean break’ settlements and in your case this would not mean 50:50 as you are a SAHM and your husband is a higher earner and presumably has higher earning potential going forward, particularly if you are the main carer. The courts would expect you to return to work at some point but with a 2 yr old not necessarily straight away and probably only part time until the children are older. If you are to be the main carer then this would also be factored into the size of house you need versus your husnpbandsie) reasonable for you to need more space than your ex and so this together with his higher earning potential would mean that you would be likely to get a higher % of the equity when the house is sold, possibly between 60-70% or on rare occasions more. If you can’t downsize because your house is already small then it’s possible you coukd stay there until the children are older. It depends if you have savings your husband could use to help rehouse himself or if his earnings would also cover his rent without the need to sell. There is no one size fits all but you need to be aware of your options. I would definitely not rush into trying to get a job until you have sorted out the divorce and consider carefully whether you want to remain the main carer or ask for shared care to allow you to develop a career for yourself. The latter may be the best in financial terms in the long run but is it best for you and the children, what would happen if your husband remarries and has a second family as so often seems to be the case.

There is no size fits all and if you can’t afford a clean break settlement because you don’t have enough equity in your property to rehouse you both then you may also get spousal maintenance. I am receiving this.

You can also get an interim financial order (called a maintenance pending suit) until the finances are sorted but be warned it cost me £4000 in solicitors fees just to get this in place and my ex has ignored the court order to pay me more and now more fees to sue for contempt oppression court, the CMS are taking 12 weeks at the moment just to follow up a claims so it can be a long stressful process, depending on hoe reasonable your ex will be but definitely arm yourself with as much knowledge as possible.

BadSmellsHelp101 · 04/07/2020 11:29

@Atadaddicted

I really would just stop now.

Atadaddicted · 04/07/2020 11:31

* Is that the mortgage of the house you are in, of which presumably half the equity belongs to your husband so you’d have to give him his half.*

More inaccuracies.

I walked away with the equity.
My ex walked away with his pensions

There is so much to consider that we don’t know about.

Op, walk away. Seek legal advice.

AnotherEmma · 04/07/2020 11:32

This for OP and STBXH to decide between them with the advice of solicitors, as it depends very much on their circumstances, but personally I don't think 50/50 will necessarily in the best interests of the children. They're only 2 and 7, they've been used to having their mum around full time, and they're about to face the upheaval of their parents divorcing and probably moving house. With 50/50 care they won't actually be seeing their dad that much, they'll be in childcare during his work and commute time - which is fine and what happens for children of working parents, but it's a big adjustment on top of all the other changes. I don't understand the insistence on 50/50 care and OP getting a full time job ASAP - this might be a sensible long-term aim, but in the shorter term, the children will need some stability and if that means OP being the resident parent and doing a part time job for a few years while everyone adjusts, that might be best for their family.

A single parent claiming universal credit will be required to do "work preparation" while their youngest is 2, and then required to work at least 16h/w after the child turns 3. This increases to 25h/w when the child starts school.
www.entitledto.co.uk/help/Claimant-commitment-Universal-Credit

Obviously these are minimum amounts and if the claimant works more hours they will be financially better off (the whole UC system was designed so that people are better off in work, contrary to what a PP said).

Atadaddicted · 04/07/2020 11:32

* You can’t do this alone, no lender will consider you as you are without income from a job.*

Again. Wrong.
I was initially not in work.
My mortgage provider assessed the maintenance from my ex that I was receiving plus benefits. And I got a mortgage.
Go to a financial advisor and they will seek out providers that consider maintenance and benefits

scubadive · 04/07/2020 11:33

Ps there are also pension assets to take into account. You are also entitled to a share of his pension or you can take a greater share of the equity and he keep more pension if you think you can build up a pension if your own. This depends on your age, I have been advised against this as my ex wanted me to take all of the equity and he keep all of his pension. ( which was worth more)

I have been advised that I can downsize, I will need a mortgage top up and my ex wanted a stake in my next home as he has the mortgage capacity and I don’t. I have been advised I can use my child and spousal maintenance to get a mortgage as some companies will lend on the basis of your maintenance.

It’s all very complicated but please don’t listen to people on here guessing.

Atadaddicted · 04/07/2020 11:34

The courts generally very much favour the children staying in the family home wherever possible and will prioritise this above many other considerations that May impact one or both of the parents.

Thisismytimetoshine · 04/07/2020 11:34

Do benefits really count as income for mortgage purposes??

Atadaddicted · 04/07/2020 11:35

* Do benefits really count as income for mortgage purposes??*

To some providers in some circumstances ie along with maintenance - yes.

Nationwide

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