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To report this person to their employer for hate speech?

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NickMyLipple · 03/07/2020 20:39

I've attached a screenshot - I am not friends with this person. She does however display her work on social media and she is in her uniform with her lanyard on display in her profile picture and in other photos which are accessible to the public.

It's NHS Values Week and I feel very strongly that if you're going to publically display your workplace you need to be responsible in not making such racist and hateful comments.

I called her out on it and the post has now been deleted.

AIBU to call the HR department and complain, or should I leave it and hope that she thinks carefully before she posts in future?

To report this person to their employer for hate speech?
OP posts:
MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously · 05/07/2020 12:03

Well, it is. She explained what she meant afterwards, but if you were the parents of a white student in her care, you might consider that an inappropriate thing to post. And twitter deleted it.
My point is that sometimes people don't really think things through or how their words might make others feel when they get on SM. People fuck up and I believe we ought to judge them on patterns of behaviour, not on one thing.

Clavinova · 05/07/2020 12:26

That isn’t what she tweeted.

A similar tweet she made earlier in the month didn't offer any explanation of what she claims to have meant - her original add-on (to white lives don't matter) was that she couldn't be bothered to explain it/people were too ignorant to understand. She also tweeted disparaging remarks about Hindus in December.

FuckyNel · 05/07/2020 12:36

“This woman is overtly racist. She works for the NHS. OK, you're white and so are all your friends, so not your problem. Woohoo.

But imagine that, instead of being a massive fucking racist, she hates something about you that you can't change. Say she hates white middle class mums who talk about 'picky teas' and think 'snapped and farted' is the funniest thing ever. Now, you're ill in hospital and you see her standing at the foot of your bed, glaring at you. Still want her working there, now she's in control of the standard of care you receive?”

This this this with bells

GreytExpectations · 05/07/2020 12:42

Reporting people to their employers is hateful, and all you will have gained is an enemy

Racism is also hurtful, and anyone who is a racist is an enemy to me.

Clavinova · 05/07/2020 12:55

“This woman is overtly racist. She works for the NHS. OK, you're white and so are all your friends, so not your problem. Woohoo.

The op hasn't in fact disclosed the ethnic background of the social media poster - we have just assumed that the employee is white. Would posters change their minds in any way if it was revealed that the employee was BAME herself? Would you think the op was being racist if she reported a black nurse (e.g. with Caribbean heritage) to her employer for posting racist remarks about people with South Asian heritage? Would you want the nurse reported, or would you claim that she had been singled out by the op?

CluelessBaker · 05/07/2020 13:09

Well, it is. She explained what she meant afterwards, but if you were the parents of a white student in her care, you might consider that an inappropriate thing to post. And twitter deleted it.

No, it isn’t. The entire tweet was ‘White lives don’t matter. As white lives.’ The clear meaning of that tweet (to anyone not deliberately misinterpreting it in order to claim ‘reverse racism’) was that there is nothing about being white that specifically makes your life matter, and therefore saying ‘all lives matter’ as a response to ‘black lives matter’ completely erases the purpose of BLM which is that black people are brutalised and killed by the police because they are black.

It is disingenuous in the extreme for anyone to selectively quote the tweet in order to sensationalise it. It is even more disingenuous to suggest it’s remotely comparable to the ‘immigrants should get out of our country’ sentiment of the post mentioned in the OP.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 05/07/2020 13:26

ProfPoppyEvans I'm sure the racism apologists pp's will be straight over there to tell the OP that the drivers inappropriate text will be because 'she was asking for it' and 'just free speech innit' Hmm

MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously · 05/07/2020 13:31

Well twitter deleted it, so I guess it was open to interpretation.

Clavinova · 05/07/2020 13:32

The entire tweet was ‘White lives don’t matter. As white lives.’ The clear meaning of that tweet

Her original tweet (earlier in the month) wasn't clear at all.
She was obviously being inflammatory in the later tweet/s by leaving a distinctive (2 line) gap and using capital letters;

"I'll say it again.White Lives Don't Matter."

"As white lives."

MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously · 05/07/2020 13:33

Or to point out that getting someone sacked for one text that was crass but not threatening, might be overkill

JustAnotherPoster00 · 05/07/2020 13:34

Quick Clav that above thread needs your tiresome and shitty C&P skills to protect a 'poor' delivery drivers free speech off you fuck go

Clavinova · 05/07/2020 13:48

JustAnotherPoster00
Quick Clav that above thread needs your tiresome C&P skills to protect a 'poor' delivery drivers free speech

I've only read the op - very inappropriate of the driver if it turns out to be him.

No doubt you think that hip-hop culture should be banned in the UK as well - reportedly state regulators in China have banned hip-hop from state media; regarded there as "sexist", "misogynistic", "insulting to women", "obscene", promoting drug use" and "morally harmful"...

JustAnotherPoster00 · 05/07/2020 13:52

Why would I want hiphop banned?

What a ridiculous suggestion and I'm very confused by it, literally full on puzzled Confused

CluelessBaker · 05/07/2020 13:55

Her original tweet (earlier in the month) wasn't clear at all.

What earlier tweet? I’ve googled and I can only see stories about the tweet I’ve quoted above. What did this alleged earlier tweet say?

She was obviously being inflammatory in the later tweet/s by leaving a distinctive (2 line) gap and using capital letters

Unlike racism, using ‘inflammatory’ punctuation and kerning is not illegal.
I’ve just seen that Priyamvada Gopal has been promoted to professor since Twitter (that great and mighty arbiter of social good) deleted her tweet. Good on Cambridge University for doing the right thing.

CluelessBaker · 05/07/2020 13:57

@JustAnotherPoster00 it’s because you either believe that racists should be given a free reign to say whatever they like without consequence, or you want to live under a totalitarian dictatorial regime. There is no in-between.

CluelessBaker · 05/07/2020 13:57

*rein, damnit

JustAnotherPoster00 · 05/07/2020 14:03

[quote CluelessBaker]@JustAnotherPoster00 it’s because you either believe that racists should be given a free reign to say whatever they like without consequence, or you want to live under a totalitarian dictatorial regime. There is no in-between.[/quote]
Ah thank you, I really couldnt fit my brain down the rabbit hole that time so I was perplexed Grin

netflixismysidehustle · 05/07/2020 14:09

I'm gobsmacked by the difference in responses to this and another thread earlier.

A poster received a text from a delivery driver (sexual harassment) and everyone jumped to say report him. Is this because sexual harassment is worse than racism or his job is worth less than this woman's? 🤔

KeepingPlain · 05/07/2020 14:12

How do any of us know if the person who made the racist comments doesn't display her views in work?

Those studies going round about unconscious bias towards people of a different colour to yourself, she has a very conscious bias towards other cultures. Why is that OK? Just because she is NHS (I'm assuming)? Is it OK if she is rude or treats someone badly or doesn't do her job right because of her racism? How do we know she won't 'accidently' make mistakes? She wouldn't be the right doctor or nurse to deliberately kill patients and if she did it, she won't be the last either. Would anyone here be happy to be treated by someone from a different race who said online and had views of that they hate your race? That they wish that your race would go away? You willing to trust them with your life then?

Jobs these days interview you and ask questions about your ability to work with others who are different to you. Obviously that's easy to lie in, and she clearly has. She's not fit for her job, and she should be sacked. It's her own fault and she can learn from it.

Clavinova · 05/07/2020 14:12

What earlier tweet? I’ve googled and I can only see stories about the tweet I’ve quoted above. What did this alleged earlier tweet say?

I looked at her twitter account at the time - earlier in June (a week, 10 days before) she tweeted; "White Lives Don't Matter" and 'I can't be bothered to explain what I mean' - or something similar. She also tweeted disparaging remarks about Hindus/India - including the word "sickos." That tweet was deleted as well.

Clavinova · 05/07/2020 14:15

JustAnotherPoster00
Why would I want hiphop banned?
What a ridiculous suggestion and I'm very confused by it, literally full on puzzled.

You don't mind insulting and sometimes 'rape culture' lyrics aimed at black women?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 05/07/2020 14:18

Are we going with the usual right wing trope of 'white people experience racism' or the other right wing trope of 'if we dont fire one we dont fire the other'? As has been explained many times on this thread its not up to OP if the racist gets fired thats up to the NHS trust she works for, and I'm sure if you report the twitter account holder to her employers they will also investigate it so then your ire should be focused on her employers

Do right wingers just get denser as a debate goes on?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 05/07/2020 14:20

You don't mind insulting and sometimes 'rape culture' lyrics aimed at black women?

I do not write or perform any hip hop songs so not sure theres much I can do other than not support a genre I dont listen to

JustAnotherPoster00 · 05/07/2020 14:22

So wait.....because theres hiphop dont report a racist to her employer Hmm is that what youre saying? Thats a weird argument even for you