To report this person to their employer for hate speech?

[NickMyLipple]

I've attached a screenshot - I am not friends with this person. She does however display her work on social media and she is in her uniform with her lanyard on display in her profile picture and in other photos which are accessible to the public.

It's NHS Values Week and I feel very strongly that if you're going to publically display your workplace you need to be responsible in not making such racist and hateful comments.

I called her out on it and the post has now been deleted.

AIBU to call the HR department and complain, or should I leave it and hope that she thinks carefully before she posts in future?

Yes, seriously. I'm all for tackling something with the person directly or contacting a site to get offensive material removed, but trying to get a person sacked, is grim. It's not comparable to an animal abuser subsequently working with children - presumably there is no history of this person being a danger to anyone.

Duvetdoggy

I’m not sure everyone would (I’ve deleted one person from my FB for their comments and challenged them before that’s the only other social media I am on)

So I challenge sometimes and sometimes not, personally I’m so tired when I remind people the comments like oh I don’t mean your family

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

I don't agree with complaining to people's bosses. You said your piece, now let it go. Trying to get someone sacked is skanky behaviour and makes you no better than her.

Hmmm. Using hate speech is unlawful, and people who use hate speech are, frankly, scum. Why on earth would it it make you just as bad as them to report their breach of the law to someone who needs to know about it?

@ArnoldBee

I read an article earlier which for me triggered the question of if the person who made the comment was aware of some of the background to this factory? The article cited that an emoloyee was paid £4 an hour who had entered the UK 20 years ago on a tourist visa. If they knew this you could argue that in fact the comment wasn't racist.

That's ridiculous. You can't seriously contend that anyone thought every employee in that factory came here on a tourist visa 20 years ago.

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously
It's not about trying to get a person sacked. Their comments sack themselves. So are we to assume that you don't agree with racism but you do nothing to confront it ~which means that you endorse it~ ?

It's not comparable to an animal abuser subsequently working with children - presumably there is no history of this person being a danger to anyone. @MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

Are you on glue??

Are you on glue? Yawn. Even when this was 'original' on MN it was fatuous.

So many leaps on this thread about how it must follow that she doesn't look after the people in her care properly because she posted one comment that she deleted after the OP challenged her. There's nothing to suggest this person isn't professional at work and until there is, I believe we should trust people to do their jobs.

Another leap is that by not contacting a person's employer, it's an endorsement of their views. The OP has confronted it - she's contacted the poster and presumably the platform. Personally, I think that's sufficient.

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There's nothing to suggest this person isn't professional at work and until there is, I believe we should trust people to do their jobs

When someone's knee-jerk response to reading about black people being exploited is to say they should be kicked out of their country and to blame them for the mess created by our 99% white government - I think there's plenty there to suggest they aren't professional in their approach to their jobs.

@go ^Well, let me ask you this.

I I am a conservative Muslim, or an Amish person wearing traditional garb, etc, and my NHS nurse is wearing la Rainbow lanyard, can I assume I will get the same level of care as anyone else?

You could ask the same, reversed^.

@Gobb

False equivalency
I'm not aware of any cases in which a rainbow lanyard has signified a person being muderous. Racists have a long history of violence against minorities.

iboogy Did you mean someone else? I never mentioned rainbow lanyards

Trust people to do their jobs? Have you read the thread? Seriously can I as a teacher post memes about child abuse but as long as my job is done well, be acceptable.

The thing about bring anti racist and acting in a way that confirms this is that you have to understand that any firm if blatant racism is wrong. It's wrong as is seeks to treat people as lesser than other people. That there is some inherent hierarchy that deems that some people are less deserving of human rights. Ok? That's what racism does, it places some people as ' other'. To endorse, promote and willingly publicise this idea is to be a racist. There is no excuse and no justification for it.

Like lots of things, punishment for actions dictate its prominence in society. So for example, in countries with very lax to no consequences for rape, rape is much more prevalent, because, well people get away with it.

Similarly if there are no consequences for racist actions ( note actions not thoughts), there will be higher incidences if racism.

Surely everyone wants to eliminate racism? So that takes a committed response from everyone, including reporting ACTIONS, of racism, which ousting a racist meme on to a public sphere is.

Call it out. End it.

It’s a known fact that the BAME community and other minority groups receive lesser medical care / treatment. It’s a known fact that black women receive lesser care in childbirth for example.
Someone who is a racist working in healthcare is contributing to this. (I’m not daft enough to think it’s the only factor but it certainly contributes).

I’d call it out. Be part of the solution or be part of the problem

It has been called out. If this woman gets sacked, her opinions won't change - they'll likely get more entrenched. Sacking her will cause financial hardship to her kids, if she has them. If will probably affect more people than just her. And there will be one less HCP in the system during a pandemic.

I think most people are professional at work and take pride in their jobs. I don't believe you can assume she doesn't do her job properly.

But she wont get sacked will she? She will get a telling off and a days diversity course. That's exactly what happened when I reported a teaching colleagues racism.

If an NHS worker posting a meme that endorsed sex with children would you worry about them being sacked? If not why? Is it because as a society we deem this wrong. That sex with children is wrong?

Well as a society we all need to realise that racism is wrong too. It has ruined and damaged millions of human lives. It is an evil thing. With very real consequences for very real humans.

She cannot do her job properly if she is a racist. If she thinks that some humans are less deserving of human rights than others, and that's what racism is, how can she do her job properly?

The equivalent of a teacher endorsing abuse of children is a HCP endorsing abuse of patients. Which I would definitely agree should be reported to the employer and result in sacking. But that isn't what she did.
I'm not defending her comment, I just think it has been dealt with and contacting her employer is wrong.

But Racism is abuse. In its actuality lived reality, it is abuse. The end game of racism is abuse on a massive scale like erm genocide. To endorse racism is to endorse abuse of people. That's how racism acts. There is no result of racism or racist attitudes that does not result in abuse of human rights
All acts of racism result in the endorsement or action of abuses of human rights.

How else does it end? Look at history, all acts of racism end up in abuse of humans.

And to continue your analogy. If a teacher who posted memes if sex with children was of the opinion that this was not abusive but still worked with children but didn't abuse them would you still be happy they taught your child. After all they are not seeking to abuse your child personally.

Likewise if someone posts mees about racism but isn't actually being racist to their clients, is that okay?

What's the difference?

I don't think one comment on SM is equivalent to actually abusing people. I don't disagree that it's a horrible thing to say though. She has deleted it and is more likely imo to think twice about her views than if someone goes to her boss - I believe that will just piss her off and solve nothing.
I'm not comfortable with people complaining to other people's bosses - I prefer to go directly to the person themselves, if I've got something to say.

Would you report a teacher who said a BAME child should be sent back to their own country?

I don't believe that people with paedophile tendencies are capable of not being abusive. I wouldn't put them in the same category as someone who put one comment on SM and deleted it when called on it. If she was a person who's FB had lots of racist comments, I would agree with you that it's appropriate to contact the employer.
But the OP doesn't say this and I assume she would if that was the case because it's pertinent information. So on the basis of it being one comment, I think it would be wrong to contact the employer.