To report this person to their employer for hate speech?

[NickMyLipple]

I've attached a screenshot - I am not friends with this person. She does however display her work on social media and she is in her uniform with her lanyard on display in her profile picture and in other photos which are accessible to the public.

It's NHS Values Week and I feel very strongly that if you're going to publically display your workplace you need to be responsible in not making such racist and hateful comments.

I called her out on it and the post has now been deleted.

AIBU to call the HR department and complain, or should I leave it and hope that she thinks carefully before she posts in future?

[CluelessBaker]

Lol @ "an individual song" hip hop song being sexist.

Lol at claiming hip hop is a sexist genre and not also mentioning the sexism of pop / indie / rock etc. as well. Why single out rap when it’s not the only offender?

[Clavinova]

CluelessBaker
Why single out rap when it’s not the only offender?

Because rap/hip-hop is the music genre in the spotlight at the moment:

www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2020/07/the-women-who-still-dont-matter-to-hip-hop/613681/

msmagazine.com/2020/05/27/black-women-hip-hop-metoo-on-the-record-spotlights-music-industry/

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/12/bbc-complicit-promoting-misogyny-rap-musicradio-one-dj-claims/

www.theguardian.com/music/2020/jun/21/ray-blk-accuses-rapper-ambush-buzzworl-of-sexual-assault

StillCoughingandLaughing
But you suggest reporting one racist post is akin to banning all hip-hop music.

No - the thread took a side-step - there was a link to another thread;
A poster received a text from a delivery driver (sexual harassment) and everyone jumped to say report him. ...
Quick Clav that above thread needs your tiresome C&P skills to protect a 'poor' delivery drivers free speech.

It does help if you follow the thread.

[Nihiloxica]

@CluelessBaker

Lol @ "an individual song" hip hop song being sexist.

Lol at claiming hip hop is a sexist genre and not also mentioning the sexism of pop / indie / rock etc. as well. Why single out rap when it’s not the only offender?

I didn't single out hip hop.

But there is more open misogyny in hip hop and grime than in other popular music forms.

Also, aren't you doing whataboutery? I thought that was racist?

[CluelessBaker]

Also, aren't you doing whataboutery? I thought that was racist?

No, it’s not. Because what is racist is singling out rap for being misogynistic when it is predominantly performed by black artists, and giving a free pass to other genres which also include misogynistic songs but are mostly associated with white artists.

(This is derailing the thread, I fear)

[Nihiloxica]

Because what is racist is singling out rap for being misogynistic when it is predominantly performed by black artists, and giving a free pass to other genres which also include misogynistic songs but are mostly associated with white artists.



So whataboutery is racist, except when it's to show that other people are racist.

So misogyny is acceptable from black musicians because pop music is a bit sexist?

Nothing racist about that position at all.

[PotteryLottery]

It's easy not to get cancelled.

Just don't be a bigot.

[Nihiloxica]

Bigot

A word that used to mean closed minded but is now defined by the closed minded.

[lordjesusblessmycavies8]

It IS racist to assume that this factory owner and his employees are not British born Asians. I do admit that the factory does look lik eone of those modern day slavery kind of sweatshops, so I do wonder if the lady posting the twitter comment jumped to that conclusion? Assuming these must be trafficked people here illegally? I read the DM article though and there is no mention of the nationality of any of these people employed there. And as the DM is right wing, I am sure they would have emphasised if any of the workers were slaves or illegal immigrants. But they didn't. So I have to conclude the twitter lady is being racist. Shame on her.

[BigChocFrenzy]

I would report such a clearly racist post
Just as I would report a clearly anti-semitic or homophobic post

I'm not equipped to "educate" her about racism as some suggest she needs,
but her employer would send her on diversity training

Most employers have a social media policy about not bringing the company into disrepute and all employees sign up to this.
If someone still can't resist making obviously racist posts, then any damage to their career is their own stupid fault

[BigChocFrenzy]

Growing up in the 1960s, I was subject to a lot of openly racist abuse

My life was significantly improved by laws that made this illegal,
that took away the right of people to shout insults and tell me "go back to your own country"

Of course it didn't stop all the racism I faced, but it reduced the amount and the severity.

[NewNameNewShoes]

I hate this reporting culture personally, and especially people who pretend to have a faux concern for the company who must be informed of their employees' behaviour (when really they just want to cause ad much vindictive harm as possible to the person they disagree with).

It was a horrid thing to say but perhaps as an NHS worker she's sick of putting her and her family's life at risk due to the actions of the people like the one she is criticising.

Another issue with this type of reporting culture is the way it always seems to backfire on women. It was originally popular amongst feminists reporting sexist men, but now it's mostly 'transphobic' women losing their jobs for expressing concerns about having men in their toilets.

[JustAnotherPoster00]

Another issue with this type of reporting culture is the way it always seems to backfire on women.

Why are you conflating racism with the rights of women? The people who try and do this from my observation have a racist agenda that probably doesnt mean you......oh wait

but perhaps as an NHS worker she's sick of putting her and her family's life at risk due to the actions of the people like the one she is criticising.

[Eskarina1]

But she's not criticising him. If she'd said he should be shut down, that would be about what he's done. Saying he should be sent home is about who she perceives he is.

Nhs workers have the right to be (very) angry about people putting them at risk. In fairness, we all do. But her first line of attack was racism and there's no justification for that. Its a known type of racism that allows people of colour to be treated equally provided they behave perfectly.

Racism should be as socially unacceptable as drink driving.

[DuineArBith]

I hate this reporting culture personally, and especially people who pretend to have a faux concern for the company who must be informed of their employees' behaviour (when really they just want to cause ad much vindictive harm as possible to the person they disagree with)
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You're attributing motivations without any evidence. Don't you think that someone with these views in a caring profession has the potential themselves to do serious harm to vulnerable people, and that that should be prevented?

[CluelessBaker]

So whataboutery is racist, except when it's to show that other people are racist.

So misogyny is acceptable from black musicians because pop music is a bit sexist?

Now you’re being deliberately obtuse.

It isn’t whataboutery to point out somebody’s racism, ever. Whataboutery is when you ask a person campaigning for cause A why they aren’t campaigning for cause B instead.

It is not pulling somebody up on the fact they they’re using racist tropes to support their point.

And no, I’m not saying misogyny in rap is fine because pop is also misogynistic (note your own biases in the way you describe rap as ‘misogynistic’ and pop as ‘a little bit sexist’). I’m saying that if your concern is misogyny, you would be bothered by it all. The fact that you’re only expressing a concern with a genre predominantly associated with black people shows that your concern isn’t actually misogyny; you just want to race bait.

[Nihiloxica]

Whataboutery is when you ask a person campaigning for cause A why they aren’t campaigning for cause B instead.

Yes.

So asking why someone might campaign about the vicious misogyny in hip hop music when there is sexism in lots of types of music.

That is straightforward whataboutery - you are not allowed to complain about THIS problem, you must instead focus on the one I have deemed more important.

[CluelessBaker]

So asking why someone might campaign about the vicious misogyny in hip hop music when there is sexism in lots of types of music.

Not the same. In this instance the issue - misogyny - is the same, and the only difference is in the race of the artists most associated with the genre. It is perfectly reasonable to question the motivations behind that distinction and ask why you only care about misogyny in a primarily black genre and not about misogyny in a primarily white genre.

Whataboutery would be, for example, saying ‘why are you campaigning about misogyny in music when there are veterans who can’t access mental health services in the U.K.’.

[StuffThem]

A few years ago, I probably would have supported telling their employer.

Now I face the very real possibility of being doxxed and losing my job for believing that women are adult human females.

Granted, I don't in any way equate racism with being gender critical.

But cancel culture doesn't seem so smart any more.

[Clavinova]

The fact that you’re only expressing a concern with a genre predominantly associated with black people shows that your concern isn’t actually misogyny; you just want to race bait.

How can you proclaim that "Black Lives Matter" without examining black lives? Of course black culture/hip-hop is under the spotlight at the moment;

2nd July -
"Hip-Hop Won’t Stop Protecting Alleged Abusers."
"The industry has been proclaiming the importance of Black lives while continuing to ignore Black women."

"After more than a month of nationwide protests against police brutality, many entertainers are finding ways to speak out about racial injustice.This past week alone, the hip-hop world loudly celebrated Black voices at the BET Awards, in popular interview podcasts, and during Monday night’s Verzuz battle. But the industry continues to be silent on its own transgressions:Those same platforms have also conspicuously amplified the voices of men accused of abusing Black women."

"In reflexively offering praise and visibility to such figures, hip-hop institutions implicitly condone their alleged behavior.This support reflects a pattern apparent across the music industry of protecting, and even uplifting, men facing serious allegations of assault against women—particularly against Black women. Under normal conditions, that tacit approval would be upsetting. Now, though, as Black women around the country once again so prominently lead efforts to curb racist violence, it’s stunningly hypocritical to affirm Black lives while ignoring the mistreatment that Black women endure."

www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2020/07/the-women-who-still-dont-matter-to-hip-hop/613681/

The article was written by Hannah Giorgis, "the American-born daughter of Ethiopian and Eritrean immigrants" for context;
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/21/read-and-write-in-english-dream-in-amharic

[Clavinova]

lordjesusblessmycavies8
I read the DM article though and there is no mention of the nationality of any of these people employed there.

Although the man we see in the op's post is quoted in the article;
"Mr Ali [factory manager] said: ‘Our workers are predominantly South Asian, and they know the risks they are taking because they are most at risk of catching coronavirus. But what can they do? They are not rich people and need this money to survive.’"

The DM article was written by freelance journalist, Vivek Chaudhary.

[Eskarina1]

Nationality and ethnicity are two different issues. He is talking about ethnicity as it increases risk in relation to Covid 19. He says nothing that suggests he, or any of his workers have a "home" to be sent back to.

[Clavinova]

Nationality and ethnicity are two different issues.

Fair enough - what ethnicity does the person under the red smudge have in the op? How can you tell?

[Felifox]

There is an article in the MoS written by Manzoor Moghal, who is a community leader, and he states that many of the workers are here illegally. So due to pay as low as £2 an hour they have to work. The article is titled ' I can tell you exactly why Leicester had to go back into Lockdown. Why didn't the authorities protect us?'

[StillCoughingandLaughing]

Lol @ "an individual song" hip hop song being sexist.

What exactly are you ‘LOLing’ about?

[KenAdams]

How many of you saying not to report are BAME and have experienced racism from NHS workers? Because I have and I emplore you to report because this attitude doesn't change when they walk through the hospital doors.