To ask if anyone is interested in my meat free McDonald's burger campaign?

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Be quiet don't bother - yabu
Yes I would love a delicious meat free burger that tastes as good as my favourite cheeseburger / bigmac etc - yanbu

I’d prefer them to make more effort to provide a GF burger tbh - not being able to eat gluten is a medical condition, not eating meat is a choice.

its a bloody burger restaurant!!! burgers are meat

NABALT

Rinoachicken. Its not a choice to those who find the idea of eating animals and animal products wrong. It would be akin to telling you that all your options had been spat on, but you're choosing not to eat it. To me, animal products are dirty and nasty for all sorts of reasons. 5 minutes research would show you why. People don't stop eating animal products for fun usually, its because the understanding of what you're eating, what goes into it and the general damage it does makes the food into...err...a non food product to them.

@Peacocking

You won’t die though - it’s still choice not medical need

And yes, a GF option should be provided. But maybe is genuinely hard for them to do as cross contamination of gluten could make someone life threateningly ill and their kitchens are generally small.

Rinoachicken. No, I won't die. I don't think I'd ever be brave enough to trust any establishment enough to eat out if that was the case for me and I dont envy those who need to make that choice whether to risk eating out.

Those who would usually eat meat won’t go for the vegan option instead.

......I do. Regularly infact 🤷‍♀️

The vegan wraps are not vegan, the wraps contain milk, same ones used for all wrap options btw. Veggie deluxe is just 2 Goujons in a bun

@Bibidy I agree, I often choose a vegan and veggie option at a restaurant and cook veggie at home although I’m not a vegetarian or vegan - I don’t think of it as vegan, it’s just food I’m in the mood for. But not at McDonalds - it’s a chain that specialises in meat products, if I go there it’s because I’m in the mood for that and I think that’s the case for most people who are not vegan and go there. Otherwise I would eat somewhere else. As I said in a pp I don’t go often - when I go I go for a specific taste, and it’s not a veggie burger taste or a salad taste, or even a fillet-o-fish taste (they probably sell less of those than their veggie burgers...) there’s better places to go for things like that and McDonalds is never going to top them because that’s not their speciality. It’s a burger chain - you’re never going to get a vegetarian or vegan option there that tastes better to a meat eater than one of their meat products. I think it’s of course worth having a vegan option for those who need them - but if I was vegan I just wouldn’t eat there because I’d inevitably be supporting a company that makes an eye watering fortune through the meat industry.

McDonalds and Burger King have both ruined their veggie offering recently. The McD. Goujons are awful and what has happened to the BK beanburger? The last one I had was bland and mushy, not like the delicious offering of old.

Leon’s all the way. A whole range of decent veggie / vegan options.

Good idea OP

Being vegetarian or vegan IS a choice and it's not the same as comparing it to food that has been spat on at all. Eating meat, while it certainly has many problems associated with it, is not unhygienic like sharing spit with a stranger could be. It's not unsanitary.
Some people on here are deliberately not understanding that a chain of beefburger/chicken restaurants sell beefburgers and chicken because that is what they want to sell, it's what sells and makes them money. They probably have farms rearing animals specifically for slaughter for their restaurants. So by eating at McDonald's you are directly supporting the slaughter of animals for food whether you are actually eating them or not. Complaining about there not being a vegan/veggie option specifically to your taste is probably not going to get you very far because it's not something they want to invest in. If you don't like Indian food you wouldn't go to an Indian restaurant and then complain that there was nothing there you want to eat. Similarly, a meat eater wouldn't go to a vegetarian restaurant and complain there was no meat in any of the dishes on offer. You visit a restaurant because you like the food. If you don't like it or don't agree with it then don't go there.

I was going to say that while I’d support on principle, the only campaign I’d really be interested in is bringing back the delicious Burger King bean burger. But I see from a PP that they have reinstated it but not as nice

So by eating at McDonald's you are directly supporting the slaughter of animals for food whether you are actually eating them or not.

Does that apply to any shops that sell meat products? People who are anti smoking- are they supporting the tobacco industry by shopping anywhere that cells cigarettes?

Being vegetarian or vegan IS a choice

For some people is a choice in the same way that being kosher or halal is a choice, it's religious or cultural.

For others (like me) yes, it's a choice, but it's a choice between being able to do my job effectively (I'm a therapist, dealing with clients one on one) or having to run to the toilet regularly and having to allow extra time between clients so I can go over time if I need to.

By choosing vegan options at a place that sells meat doesn't support the slaughter of animals. That's just a ridiculous emotive argument. Do you think that, if everyone started buying the vegetarian and vegan options instead of the meat ones, they would keep the slaughterhouses going? Hardly. (yes, I know that's not going to happen).

More and more places are offering vegan options. So clearly it is something they see as worth investing in, and is making them money. They wouldn't offer it otherwise. And yes, that includes places that sell chicken and burgers. In fact some have paid for very expensive marketing campaigns to get the message out about their new products.

Does that apply to any shops that sell meat products? People who are anti smoking- are they supporting the tobacco industry by shopping anywhere that cells cigarettes?

Presumably they wouldn't go to a tobacconist and demand non-smoking related items or to a butcher's and demand veggie burgers.

Comparing it to being expected to eat something that's been spat on, yes I think that's fair. Factory farmed animals eat and drink their own faeces due to the crowded conditions and dirt - they are coated in filth and groom themselves, it gets into their food and water. They are often severely abcessed, bursting on the way to or during slaughter and butchery. Milk is graded according to the amount of pus in it. So I think the spit analogy is pretty near the mark to describe how someone who doesn't eat animal products would feel about being expected to eat them because they 'choose' to be vegan.

Eating meat is a choice too...
It would be nice for them to have some more choice in what and where they can eat, like people who eat meat do :)

This would be a dream. I've often thought of ordering a cheeseburger without the burger in a drive through and putting in a quorn burger at home.. just wouldn't want to be laughed at

Would this be a good time to announce Jammie Dodgers are turning vegan again?

Everyplanet - whoop!

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/jammie-dodgers-vegan-recipe-change-milk-new-buy-packaging-a9597226.html

And yes I will be buying some...and eating the whole packet .

Presumably they wouldn't go to a tobacconist and demand non-smoking related items or to a butcher's and demand veggie burgers

Are you deliberately twisting things, or do you just not understand what Iwalkinmyclothing was saying?

1. we are talking about food places that actually sell both meat and vegetarian food. Which you yourself acknowledged in a previous post.
2. Iwalkinmyclothing was clearly referring to places that sell both tobacco and non tobacco products, or meat and vegetarian products.

As an aside, my local butcher sells a decent range of local vegan produce.

@squeekums

I dont see a need for it and the more they do the more they risk screwing up my order and giving me a fake burger, i feel for the person who on the end of me returning a fake burger, it wouldnt be pretty

Good grief. Have you considered an anger management course?

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