To ask if anyone is interested in my meat free McDonald's burger campaign?

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Be quiet don't bother - yabu
Yes I would love a delicious meat free burger that tastes as good as my favourite cheeseburger / bigmac etc - yanbu

Rather then just being like excuse me my order is wrong can you correct this please

Thats what most of us would do

And to be fair I have a habit of saying things like ‘I’d raise merry hell’ when in reality I’d just say the above 😀

Presumably they wouldn't go to a tobacconist and demand non-smoking related items or to a butcher's and demand veggie burgers

But that isn't the argument you made. You said that vegetarians who spend money at McDonalds are directly supporting the meat industry because McDonalds sells meat items. If you believe that, then you must of course believe that anti smokers who spend money at Tesco are directly supporting the tobacco industry because Tesco sells tobacco products.

Perhaps you have now realised that what you said was ridiculous, which is great :)

@Ohtherewearethen

Being vegetarian or vegan IS a choice and it's not the same as comparing it to food that has been spat on at all. Eating meat, while it certainly has many problems associated with it, is not unhygienic like sharing spit with a stranger could be. It's not unsanitary. Some people on here are deliberately not understanding that a chain of beefburger/chicken restaurants sell beefburgers and chicken because that is what they want to sell, it's what sells and makes them money. They probably have farms rearing animals specifically for slaughter for their restaurants. So by eating at McDonald's you are directly supporting the slaughter of animals for food whether you are actually eating them or not. Complaining about there not being a vegan/veggie option specifically to your taste is probably not going to get you very far because it's not something they want to invest in. If you don't like Indian food you wouldn't go to an Indian restaurant and then complain that there was nothing there you want to eat. Similarly, a meat eater wouldn't go to a vegetarian restaurant and complain there was no meat in any of the dishes on offer. You visit a restaurant because you like the food. If you don't like it or don't agree with it then don't go there.

Eating meat is a choice. No-one is forcing people to do it. And yeah - the way meat is reared and the conditions they animals are (mostly) kept in are beyond unsanitary.

This bizarre 'othering' of vegetarian and vegan food is SO strange to me. I can have an entirely vegan day, and not even notice I'm doing it. It's not like I'm hunkered in a corner eating only foraged leaves...

These 'vegetarian restaurants' people speak of upthread are few and far between. If I'm coming home via a service station, I could find a McDonalds, but most probably not an all-organic vegan eatery.

Why on earth couldn't we just have a few more vegetarian options in more places? What difference does it make to meat eaters? It might wake people up to the fact that tasty veggie options exist and it's possible to cut down on the planet's massive over-consumption of meat produce without being confined to some niche alternative lifestyle, the way some people seem to assume.

And to the person who is concerned for the wellbeing of the person who gave them a fake burger... I bet you could eat a BK one and not. even. know. Mind blown...

@Iwalkinmyclothing are you deliberately obtuse or do you genuinely not get it?

YANBU

I'm a meat eater but I love a bean or falafel burger.

I'm not sure why McDonalds should be expected to or want to cater for a group that basically objects to it's entire business model.

If you believe that, then you must of course believe that anti smokers who spend money at Tesco are directly supporting the tobacco industry because Tesco sells tobacco products.

This doesn’t make much sense to me. Tesco isn’t primarily a seller of tobacco products - if it stopped selling them it would still have plenty of other things to offer. McDonalds is primarily a seller or meat and dairy options. A better comparison would be to ask if would make sense to buy nicotine patches that are made by a cigarette company?

[quote Ohtherewearethen]@Iwalkinmyclothing are you deliberately obtuse or do you genuinely not get it?[/quote]
Vegetarians buying non meat products at McDonalds are directly supporting the meat industry as McDonalds sells meat products. But anti smokers buying non tobacco products at shops which sell tobacco products are not supporting the tobacco industry because that is somehow completely different? And not agreeing with that argument means I am either deliberately obtuse or do not 'get it? Is it beyond you to understand that people may 'get' what you are saying but think it is a load of codswallop?

*I'm a meat eater but I love a bean or falafel burger.

I'm not sure why McDonalds should be expected to or want to cater for a group that basically objects to it's entire business model*

Well, they do have vegan options, so they clearly want to cater for vegans. Why? Well, probably because that way they get customers that they wouldn't get otherwise. Not just vegans, but groups of people that have one or two vegans or vegetarians, that would go elsewhere if they didn't cater for everyone in the group. Clearly it mashes business sense, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

Its just a shame they don't do it better.

I've just been to 5 Guys and they don't have a veggie burger, but a "sandwich" which is basically a burger with all the bits except the burger. It's the first time I've been, and I won't be back. I paid a small fortune to eat a soggy mess in my car.

@LynetteScavo

I've just been to 5 Guys and they don't have a veggie burger, but a "sandwich" which is basically a burger with all the bits except the burger. It's the first time I've been, and I won't be back. I paid a small fortune to eat a soggy mess in my car.

Was that the one with the mushroom?

Again, McDonalds already have vegan options and have done for years. Their fries, apple pies, hash browns and fruit bags are vegan so not sure why people are getting themselves worked up about them adding another option onto the munu.

@EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire I think there was one or maybe two little bits of mushroom. A nice big slice of tomoato, lots of onions, a slice of melted cheese square and a very soggy bun. Give me a McDonalds Filet O'Fish any day over that. You live and learn.

Their fries, apple pies, hash browns and fruit bags are vegan

Are hash browns sold all day? If not, then a portion of fries, and apple pie and a drink isn't exactly an exciting meal when your mates are having a Big Mac and McFlurry

Again, McDonalds already have vegan options and have done for years. Their fries, apple pies, hash browns and fruit bags are vegan so not sure why people are getting themselves worked up about them adding another option onto the munu.

Because there is a not-insignificant minority of people who believe that any concession towards vegans is bending a knee to a dangerous fad which should be opposed and inconvenienced at every opportunity

@LynetteScavo

Their fries, apple pies, hash browns and fruit bags are vegan

Are hash browns sold all day? If not, then a portion of fries, and apple pie and a drink isn't exactly an exciting meal when your mates are having a Big Mac and McFlurry

Yes I know that. But there are people getting their knickers in a twist about the idea of McDonald's serving vegan food when they already serve vegan food .

@CluelessBaker

Again, McDonalds already have vegan options and have done for years. Their fries, apple pies, hash browns and fruit bags are vegan so not sure why people are getting themselves worked up about them adding another option onto the munu.

Because there is a not-insignificant minority of people who believe that any concession towards vegans is bending a knee to a dangerous fad which should be opposed and inconvenienced at every opportunity

People are very strange .

Yanbu i would consider buying one even though I'm not vegetarian. It might be a nice change and would cater for non meat eaters who end up in McDonald's with their friends, which I imagine must happen fairly often

If not, then a portion of fries, and apple pie and a drink isn't exactly an exciting meal when your mates are having a Big Mac and McFlurry

They also have their veggie goujon things that they do in a bun or in a wrap. They just aren't very popular. But yeah, that's kind of the point. They do cater for vegans and vegetarians, just not very well.

Ok, Iwalkinmyclothing, one more time. You can't compare shopping in Tesco therefore supporting the tobacco industry to buying McDonald's.
Most people, I hope, are against puppy farming. Therefore wouldn't go and buy a kitten from the puppy farm as, even though they are not buying the puppies, they are still supporting the puppy farm by buying a kitten from them. This is a more appropriate comparison. I really don't know why you've jumped on this shopping in Tesco analogy as it is nowhere near similar. Think about it.

Interesting debate, surely its only a good thing to have decent meat free options in a fast food restaurant? Surely greggs vegan sausage roll is a case in point?