To think that people who 'want to switch off' from BLM are the ones who have chips on their shoulders?

[Moomin8]

I use a cloth nappy group on FB. A few days ago someone accidentally (I think, I didn't see it) made an offensive remark.

The next day one of the admins, very sensibly set up a thread for people to post educational resources relating to the BLM movement which encourage us all to think about how we can be a part of the solution rather than the problem. The issue of course, is that a lot of people don't even know that they are contributing to systemic racism.

That was fine until someone posted a comment saying this wasn't nappy related and they just wanted a space for nappies etc. After that it turned into a bit of a bun fight and got quite nasty.

There were only a few people who seemed to have this view but it left me wondering, why would someone complain about something positive that we could all learn from. Cloth nappy communities include people from BAME backgrounds (obviously) and why would you not want to take action against something that could hurt other people?

@Moomin8

The link is basically a white parent talking about how her black son gets treated differently than white kids in their neighbourhood and how his behaviour is held to higher standards than theirs.

It was actually sent to me by a black friend who has a lot of experience working in these areas so it's not my judgement you don't trust, it's hers.

Missed this doozy.

WTactualF is wrong with you?

No, it’s YOU I don’t trust because you’ve posted here talking nonsense but won’t listen.

You told us right at the start that the materials posted in the FB group were “BLM” educational materials, now you’re saying they’re not.

Several posters have explained to you the difference between “BLM” and more mainstream anti-racism movements (a lot of us didn’t to start with but we kept ourselves informed), but you won’t listen, you’re still here mouthing off, telling all of us that you know better.

And you have the cheek to tell me that it’s not you that I don’t trust but some random other person? Weird.

What was my post deleted for? Telling OP she’s whitesplaining? She IS whitesplaining.

And OP told me way up thread that she read beyond a 3 word slogan
That was to me pointing out the aims of the political movement BLM
It appears op that you don't read beyond a 3 word slogan. The tories must love you

Your attempts to MN minimise the effects of police violence are just as bad @5wandh

Several posters have explained to you the difference between “BLM” and more mainstream anti-racism movements

So much emotional labour!

Amazing how many people profess to support something that they actually have no clue about.

Even the footballers are starting to realise something smells fishy with all this BLM being rammed down our throats.

@ArriettyJones

What attempts? Quote me directly where I minimise police violence.

@Thousandsaresailing

Actually I think the Tories are the reason we have so many of the problems we do since they seek to divide and set people against each other.

Anyway, I’m not going to engage with these topics any more, here or anywhere else in case I get accused of ‘whitesplaining’ or being a troll etc.

I have my own problems so in future I’ll just focus on them.

I really do not think the admin on the nappy group meant any offence by referencing BLM. And none of the members accused her of ‘whitesplaining’

Your attempts to MN minimise the effects of police violence are just as bad

Are you disputing the percentages? Even in the usa the chances of being killed by the police are tiny. Especially if you are not involved in any criminal activity. BLM makes it sound like there are dozens of innocent black men being gunned down every day. This is simply not true!

[quote 5wandh]@ArriettyJones

What attempts? Quote me directly where I minimise police violence.[/quote]
This;

The surface of Black Lives Matter platform is based around the killings of black people by the police so it needs pointing out that as a black person in America you have approximately a 0.0006% chance of dying each year as a black person at the hands of the police. If you are also unarmed your risk of dying then goes down even further to 0.0001%.

I’m not going to check the actual figures. The key point is how much more frequently visibly BAME (specifically African American and Hispanic) people are stopped, held, restrained, harmed or killed by police than white people are, and the fear that causes.

BLM makes it sound like there are dozens of innocent black men being gunned down every day. This is simply not true!

We can agree to forget the BLM organisation, I think. But racism is still ingrained in the justice system. More so there than here even.

I think the more you push an agenda onto people then the more opposition you will create.

Ahh yes, the “agenda” of trying to move the world to a place where you don’t fear being attacked, discriminated against, marginalised, judged, just because of the colour of your skin. You are absolutely right, it is the people who face this every day and want it to change who are creating division and opposition in the world /endsarcasm.

And that is such a pointless comment. What does it even mean?

In this context it means perhaps you should realise how lucky you are to be able to whine about having a space where you can switch off and not have to think about people being oppressed because of the colour of their skin.

@ArriettyJones

Their platform is based around the killing of black people by the police. How is giving direct percentages associated to this classed as minimising? I worked out the figures myself by gathering facts, not opinions.

Actually I think the Tories are the reason we have so many of the problems we do since they seek to divide and set people against each other.

This statement is far more true of the labour these days.

[quote 5wandh]@ArriettyJones

Their platform is based around the killing of black people by the police. How is giving direct percentages associated to this classed as minimising? I worked out the figures myself by gathering facts, not opinions.[/quote]
I don’t care what the BLM think they’re basing their crazy plans on.

The fact is that there is a huge difference between the way white people and brown people get treated by the police (and courts and prisons), in the U.K., and even more so in the US.

The differential does matter.

How can someone be accidentally racist? Did they post a racial slur not knowing it was a slur? And in a nappy group of all places?

@ArriettyJones Great posts, very thought provoking, thank you. You've also articulated my irritation with the OP's naive pomposity far better than I could.

I have no idea why my post was deleted - this was one of my milder ones! I'm not permitted to say I think the OP post was goady , which incidentally I didn't think until the repeated pressing posts and quite deliberately being argumentative. MNHQ did you actually read this all the way through?

The post that I reposted remains?

How can someone be accidentally racist?

There was one on a FB group the other day. They had made a suggestion about BLM which was actually quite offensive, but, on the face of it made a bit of logical sense. It was politely pointed out to her and she apologised profusely and removed the post.

@TARSCOUT

I have no idea why my post was deleted - this was one of my milder ones! I'm not permitted to say I think the OP post was goady , which incidentally I didn't think until the repeated pressing posts and quite deliberately being argumentative. MNHQ did you actually read this all the way through?

Yes I think it’s the posts in which we all said we felt she was posting to goad that have gone.

Thank you @Cynara

@moomin8, I haven't read the full thread because as a black woman, I just couldn't keep reading the replies. I found a lot of the quite horrific to be honest.

It's like people forget that we're in the nappy groups, the survival groups, the matched betting groups, the breastfeeding groups, the travel groups. I would hope that in these horrific times where a lot of black people are feeling the weight of racism, that others would lend a voice towards saying that they are on our side.

Several people up-thread have said they don't need educating on black lives. Clearly, you do, especially if you're still calling this a political issue. Even I as a black person have learned something new, the 'funniest' being that plasters were made to skin tone! I just can't get my head around that! My friends didn't realise that nude doesn't mean nude for us all and that I cannot just buy shampoo at Tesco. As trivial as these things are to you, they make my life more complicated.

Black lives matter right now, is not about the political party. It's about ME telling YOU that my life matters and that our environment (our GP, shops, professions, airlines, TV etc) is telling me that my life does not matter as much as yours.

So someone saying something about my life in our nappy group isn't derailing the focus of the group, I'm in the group and you're talking about me. Just like I'm here and you're telling me to move on - I can't! I live in this skin!

@MNHQ

I would like to know what part of my message was against MNHQ guidelines?

I find it very amusing that there are cloth nappy groups!!