To think that people who 'want to switch off' from BLM are the ones who have chips on their shoulders?

[Moomin8]

I use a cloth nappy group on FB. A few days ago someone accidentally (I think, I didn't see it) made an offensive remark.

The next day one of the admins, very sensibly set up a thread for people to post educational resources relating to the BLM movement which encourage us all to think about how we can be a part of the solution rather than the problem. The issue of course, is that a lot of people don't even know that they are contributing to systemic racism.

That was fine until someone posted a comment saying this wasn't nappy related and they just wanted a space for nappies etc. After that it turned into a bit of a bun fight and got quite nasty.

There were only a few people who seemed to have this view but it left me wondering, why would someone complain about something positive that we could all learn from. Cloth nappy communities include people from BAME backgrounds (obviously) and why would you not want to take action against something that could hurt other people?

I think it's an error to believe reduction will stop unpleasant people being unpleasant.

You can be black, white, ginger, fat, trans, ugly, disabled, poor, rich whatever. Someone will always say something shitty

Most forums / groups have a general chat section.

Telling OP to ban the poster is unhelpful, it’s better to discuss why the racist poster was wrong.

But people are more interested in burying their head in the sand.

And yes, what bodge said.

All this 'education' from where I'm standing entrenches the views of the unpleasant minority and gives those already 'educated' a chance to do it again and feel smug about how great and right on they are.

It's not my group I can't ban anyone. I'm just a member.

I totally agree with the person who said it. There is a time and place for everything!

All this 'education' from where I'm standing entrenches the views of the unpleasant minority and gives those already 'educated' a chance to do it again and feel smug about how great and right on they are.

Perfectly put.

If it's about cloth nappies it should stick to that. After all someone might reasonable ask what you are doing about the situations in Palestine, Iraq, Iran and the plight of the Inuit.

How about homeless people in this country? Where is your thread for that? And single mothers who need help? Don't you care about them?

See?

At most there could have been one link to resources in response to the unacceptable comment.

Ban the racist poster.
Tell members this person has been banned.
Remind people the sole purpose of the group.
Provide a link to appropriate advice page.
Turn off commenting.
Back to cloths.
Sometimes people just want to talk about nappies/dogs/plants, let them be.

We all know why racism is wrong.

The racist poster knows it.

Everyone knows racism is wrong.

People choose to do it anyway.

Ban them.

Zero tolerance will stop some of them at least.

I don't feel smug. I feel I've got as much to learn as anyone. Which is why the issue needs addressing in all spaces imo.

@user8558 I don't think it's that simple. Some people genuinely don't know they said something offensive.

BLM is not a political issue, it’s a humanitarian one. It’s also not being told what to think when people post about racism/BLM. Which is abundantly clear on MN with the dog-whistle and blatant racists, nothing anyone says or writes it going to change their nasty little minds.

@Cadent

It was one thread *@Proudboomer*

Do you also object to #BLM threads on MN?

Check your privilege.

But it is different things. Wanting a nappy group to stay a nappy group is perfectly fine. Doesn't mean they are giant racists for wanting the group to stay on topic. And yes, any racist posters should be kicked off and banned.

If you feel you need to educate yourself on racism then it it for you to join the relevant groups, listen to the relevant podcasts and read the relevant articles. Not read second hand opinions on a nappy site.

Oh my, a similar thing happened on a FB group I was on. I just thought the admin was a self entitled preaching twat.

@ukgift2016 you think someone is a ‘preaching twat’ for raising awareness around racism and BLM? Jesus.

The organisation BLM absolute is a political one. It may have started out as humanitarian and in many ways probably still is but it has definitely been politicised. If you don't realise that then you don't know as much as you think you do.

Have the rioting, looting and criminal damage also been discussed?

What has that got to do with families who experience racism every day?

You can join any groups you like OP, watch the news, listen to podcasts, read books, talk to people. Get yourself educated on any topic you like! If people on the nappy group are only hearing that black lives matter for the first time while looking to discuss nappies they’ve been living under a rock and are unlikely to engage.

Why are you talking about people with teenagers wearing hoodies in the context of babies wearing nappies?!

If you feel you need to educate yourself on racism then it it for you to join the relevant groups, listen to the relevant podcasts and read the relevant articles. Not read second hand opinions on a nappy site.

The thread was links to relevant podcasts and articles FYI.

I am really wondering how someone made a racist remark in the context of cloth nappies! But anyway I don't think it's the right forum to educate people. But I do think people can be educated, I have been educated on MN about a few things, eg hidden disabilities.

BLM is not a political issue, it’s a humanitarian one

But it’s not the only one. Climate change is a humanitarian crisis. What part cloth nappies have to play in that is up for discussion but if all humanitarian crises were discussed on ever group where would people go to talk about nappies? I’m not being facetious.

Same old bullshit @Moomin8

A Muslim poster was told another thread that her being spat on was no big deal because of the stabbing in Reading was worse (by Muslim convert to Christianity).

The implication is the same, put up and shut up, don’t tell us about this crap.