To think that people who 'want to switch off' from BLM are the ones who have chips on their shoulders?

[Moomin8]

I use a cloth nappy group on FB. A few days ago someone accidentally (I think, I didn't see it) made an offensive remark.

The next day one of the admins, very sensibly set up a thread for people to post educational resources relating to the BLM movement which encourage us all to think about how we can be a part of the solution rather than the problem. The issue of course, is that a lot of people don't even know that they are contributing to systemic racism.

That was fine until someone posted a comment saying this wasn't nappy related and they just wanted a space for nappies etc. After that it turned into a bit of a bun fight and got quite nasty.

There were only a few people who seemed to have this view but it left me wondering, why would someone complain about something positive that we could all learn from. Cloth nappy communities include people from BAME backgrounds (obviously) and why would you not want to take action against something that could hurt other people?

The problem as I see it is not that there are a group of people who are racist and a group who are not. We are all capable of it.

Well, I have taken the time to ‘educate’ myself and you are wrong there. Black people are, apparently, unable to be racist because they never possess the ‘power’ part of the equation. Therefore ‘we’ cannot all be racist if you are including all ethnic groups.

As far as the ‘majority’ of the UK population being racist goes, well I’ve educated myself about that too. As the majority of the UK is white, then we must be racist. Being racist is part of being white. All we can ever do is try hard to be anti racist, but we can never achieve it.

I will not go as far as to call this ‘ideology’ a ‘theory’. The latter is a term that has a specific meaning in science and the ideology’ would fail the test at every turn.

@lemonsandlimes123 you're being aggressive for no reason. I'm not educating anyone. I'm not actually in a position to. I'm responding to another post which attempts to white wash the police.

@TheRealMcKenna

Yes, I agree that people in minority groups cannot be racist. White people don't experience racism because it's an historic oppression underpinned by events such as Apartheid and the slave trade.

Op, why are you ignoring posts suggesting the poster just be banned and rules in thw group reinforced? This post was about opinions of BLM education within a cloth nappy group. The only people you seem to be responding too are people making controversial comments about the BLM movement.

How can you ensure that you are being supportive of members of the group, for whom racism is a daily problem if you don't acknowledge their struggles and ask them for help on what to read etc?

It's not other members responsibility to educate you. Don't put that on them. Educate yourself.

@TheRealMcKenna
I'm not sure I understand your post. Is it supposed to be sarcastic?

It's not other members responsibility to educate you. Don't put that on them. Educate yourself.

Personally I believe in collective responsibility.

Will people stop saying I should ban someone, etc. I'm just one of the people who the thread was aimed at and I looked at it and was happy to read the resources associated.

Some people were not. And I found that hard to understand.

I don't think every space should be politicised.

Human rights aren't political.

@TeddyIsaHe. Your claim that “White people are not targeted and murdered for the colour of their skin.” Is wrong. Educate yourself! See murder of Chris Donald in Glasgow for example. Or the holocaust.

I think unfortunately ops idea of “education” sounds like it could be many others idea of propaganda or misinformation. In any event, no one wants you ramming your opinion on an unrelated issue down their throats on a group about cloth nappies.

The general problem with posting educational information is that the people who don't need to read it are the ones who do, and the ones who need it won't read it.

@Moomin8 - collective responsibility for what? How can you be responsible for a post someone else made on a Facebook group?

Personally I believe in collective responsibility

So you think it's POC responsibility to educate you on racism?

@Moomin8 - sounds like it’s your issue rather than anyone else on the group. Are you very young? Sometimes it’s hard to understand others opinion particularly when we have adopted a dogma when we are young.

some people were not. And I found that hard to understand

So now that some people have explained why they weren't happy to have it discussed there, do you understand now?

[quote Bumpitybumper]@TheRealMcKenna
I'm not sure I understand your post. Is it supposed to be sarcastic?[/quote]
Oh no, I’m deadly serious. The OP suggested that ‘we can all be racist’ and I was merely pointing out that, having educated myself, that is not the case.

I have learnt a lot about Whiteness in recent weeks and it has taught me a great deal about the anti-racism movement.

As to whether its aims are to reduce racism or to prove it is a necessary academic field of study (and thus funding) because racism Is literally everywhere and can only be eradicated when Whiteness is, is up for debate...

As for my views on this ‘ideology’, I’d best keep that to myself. I’m racist just by the colour of my skin anyway, so I’m condemned whatever my opinions are.

So you don’t even know what the comment was that started all this?
But you’ve taken it upon yourself to decide that all members of this ‘cloth nappy group’( I mean that sounds a laugh a minute btw) need educating and you wonder why people get the arse with it.

So you think it's POC responsibility to educate you on racism?

Only if they feel like it.

Don't patronise me by saying I must be young.

One person said that they have MH issues and don't want to engage with upsetting stuff which I do understand.

Apart from that I don't see anyone else with any explanation that makes sense. People just keep saying 'white people switch off' and saying the police are perfect.

Some people can't switch off from this issue as has been explained.

But you’ve taken it upon yourself to decide that all members of this ‘cloth nappy group’( I mean that sounds a laugh a minute btw) need educating and you wonder why people get the arse with it.

Nope, read my OP properly and stop twisting.

I would point out that 95% of those in the group welcomed the post.

The few that didn't I feel should have scrolled by instead of demanding it be removed.

They don’t want to hear it they don’t want to read and be educated. They want to talk about nappies.

@Moomin8

I don't feel smug. I feel I've got as much to learn as anyone. Which is why the issue needs addressing in all spaces imo.

Oh do take a day off.

It isn’t actually that pleasant to be reminded of racism in great detail every five minutes.

Maybe it’s a theoretical exercise for you, (or it doesn’t bother you, but I’m guessing you’re white) but for some people it’s a very real phenomenon in their lives.

Stop using it as a way to indulge yourself in virtue signalling.

Also (for the love of FUCK) stop conflating BAME empowerment and anti-racism.

I am BAME and I am in no way represented by the BLM organised movement. Far too marxist for me.

Also (for the love of FUCK) stop conflating BAME empowerment and anti-racism.

My mistake. That should be; Stop conflating BAME empowerment and anti racism WITH BLM.

I'm not indulging in anything. At all. You don't need to swear at me. I didn't even post the thread I refer to. It's quite rude to accuse someone of hubris who actually just doesn't want to make other people's lives worse. There are people like that you know - it's unnecessarily cynical to assume otherwise.

A lot of it is about how you raise your children to understand these issues when they don't experience these things first hand.

I do need to swear (not AT you). You’re being so bloody offensive, I don’t know where to start.

Stop being so bloody pious. It’s like you’ve taken BLM, decided (because you say so) that it represents all black/BAME people (it REALLY doesn’t), and now you’re doing some weird preachy, white saviour thing about BLM. It’s just so inappropriate.

What is the ethnic mix of this “cloth nappy FB group” BTW?

I'm not, the white saviour thing was actually in one of the links that was posted. If you think I'm pious then that's up to you.