to hate what Brexiters have done

[mrsmootoo]

I know this has been done before, but knowing that we are now likely on course for a No Deal Brexit in the midst of a pandemic I am so angry and upset about what Brexiters voted for. I'll forgive any who were conned and now think better of it, but I cannot get over the loss of Freedom of Movement to live and work in the EU - not so much for me, but for my children - and the way the UK is sliding in international standing economically and in attracting doctors, nurses, scientists etc. (I know from before that Leavers don't care what I think, but just had to post).

Well, historically, major pandemics have been beneficial to the labouring classes but not so much to the elite (obviously in the plague classes weren’t a thing as such.)

This is similar: FOM largely benefits the middle class (in the U.K. at any rate.) That’s not really a right-or-wrong but an acknowledgement of how things are - and it’s why the conservatives swept through labour heartlands in December.

I'm with you. I find it really depressing and even more so having watched how the government have handled the pandemic. Feels like we are going backwards.

It’s going to be awful

Well they have a pandemic to blame now not Brexit for when things fuck up.
Listening to an Irish economist saying how the new chief economist at the European Central Bank gets what the issues will be for Europe and planning lots of help for EU countries. Sigh

Why do you lay the blame at the door of the people who voted?

They were given a vote and they used it. You don’t agree with what they chose to vote for, fair enough, but they aren’t to blame for this.

It’s bigger than that.

It's grim. Reminds me of the old film 'Passport to Pimlico'.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3808740-to-find-it-impossible-to-forgive-Brexiters
You started exactly the same thread in January. Are you hoping for the usual hate filled anti-brexit pile on?

I don’t think you understand the issues that led people to vote for Brexit over and over again in the space of a few years.

There is something on Twitter about a couple with a holiday home in France who voted for Brexit and are now up in arms that they cannot retire to France in 5 years time!

They blame the EU for punishing the UK and people like them who are NOT foreigners in france!!! they are BRITISH !!!!

if it wasn't so sad, would be hilarious.

Ah, Twitter.

Twitter knows all.

If Twitter says it, why, it must be true.

I didn't say it was true but its backed up by a friend i know who voted for brexit, not realising that meant travel is limited to 90/180 schengen rule, he and his wife planned on long motor home trips to europe, they spent 150k on a custom luxury motorhome before they found out.

Or another who is trying to sell his two holiday homes in Portugal.... believed that exceptions would be made for people like him lol!

Or the brexitier local builder who has spent years renovating a farm house in the Pyrenees but now can't retire there.

But they ALL knew what they were voting for lol

Lol indeed. I know someone who voted for Boris because blue is her favourite colour. Lol. So you see people who voted for the conservatives are thick, lol. That’s why they got in, lol, so really we are better doing away with democracy. Otherwise, thick people like my fictitious friend and people on Twitter vote, and we can’t have that, can we! We know better, don’t we? Lol.

YABU.

Being able to live and work in other countries (anywhere, not just the EU) is still possible, just as it always has been. The process will be different now, but comparable to other independent countries.

The UK is overpopulated, with several times what the sustainable population (about 17 million) would be. As an independent country we can still choose to open our doors to genuine refugees, medical professionals and anyone else. But these decisions will be ours to make independently.

The economy and industry are adapting well and confidence is building, The EU's economy certainly isn't perfect. Certainly the way they've treated countries such as Greece who've fallen on hard times (after persuading them to join the EU with assurances about how any burdens would be shared etc) are questionable.

I understand you feel angry, bitter and unforgiving. I'm sad to hear this, but Brexit voters chose what they genuinely felt best. We've left the EU, are coming to the end of the transition and now its time to move forward.

The thing is for a lot of people in Britain Freedom of Movement is not a big loss. Some people do not have the means to go abroad and just want be able to have a job and a decent house to live in (something that is becoming increasingly difficult for many). Not being able to travel around Europe in their motorhome is a problem they wish they had!!!
As someone who voted against Brexit I am disappointed with the vote but I do understand why people voted for Brexit.

@ConstantlySeekingHappiness

Why do you lay the blame at the door of the people who voted?

They were given a vote and they used it. You don’t agree with what they chose to vote for, fair enough, but they aren’t to blame for this.

It’s bigger than that.

I said I didn't blame people who voted Brexit without knowing what they were getting - as can be seen in other comments people were very ignorant about the consequences. But we all do have a responsibility for how we vote so in that sense they are to blame.

@Prestonsouthend

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3808740-to-find-it-impossible-to-forgive-Brexiters You started exactly the same thread in January. Are you hoping for the usual hate filled anti-brexit pile on?

As I said in this post I know how people will respond because of last time I posted - why on earth would you care enough to check?!

But this is a free forum and if I want to find a few people like me who hate Brexit I think that's allowed. Feel free to disagree as others have.

I hate the dug in ones. It's a cult now. We are going to hell in a handcart thanks to them. I'll never forgive them. Wah Wah, they don't want my forgiveness, I know. I'll still hate them to the end of my days. I've lost my job because of Brexit. I won't be the only one. Lucky they can blame it all on Covid now though, whilst the country gets asset stripped in front of their eyes and they blindly cheer it on.

@ConstantlySeekingHappiness

Why do you lay the blame at the door of the people who voted?

They were given a vote and they used it. You don’t agree with what they chose to vote for, fair enough, but they aren’t to blame for this.

It’s bigger than that.

Correct.

They are starting to get what they voted for.
twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277505330885386240?s=21

@Itinerary

YABU.

Being able to live and work in other countries (anywhere, not just the EU) is still possible, just as it always has been. The process will be different now, but comparable to other independent countries.

The UK is overpopulated, with several times what the sustainable population (about 17 million) would be. As an independent country we can still choose to open our doors to genuine refugees, medical professionals and anyone else. But these decisions will be ours to make independently.

The economy and industry are adapting well and confidence is building, The EU's economy certainly isn't perfect. Certainly the way they've treated countries such as Greece who've fallen on hard times (after persuading them to join the EU with assurances about how any burdens would be shared etc) are questionable.

I understand you feel angry, bitter and unforgiving. I'm sad to hear this, but Brexit voters chose what they genuinely felt best. We've left the EU, are coming to the end of the transition and now its time to move forward.

Agreed

@Startyanodealstockpile

I hate the dug in ones. It's a cult now. We are going to hell in a handcart thanks to them. I'll never forgive them. Wah Wah, they don't want my forgiveness, I know. I'll still hate them to the end of my days. I've lost my job because of Brexit. I won't be the only one. Lucky they can blame it all on Covid now though, whilst the country gets asset stripped in front of their eyes and they blindly cheer it on.

There's hardly less of a cult of hatred amongst hateful bitter remain voters like the OP, is there?

@Startyanodealstockpile

I hate the dug in ones. It's a cult now. We are going to hell in a handcart thanks to them. I'll never forgive them. Wah Wah, they don't want my forgiveness, I know. I'll still hate them to the end of my days. I've lost my job because of Brexit. I won't be the only one. Lucky they can blame it all on Covid now though, whilst the country gets asset stripped in front of their eyes and they blindly cheer it on.

I lost my job due to Covid - who should I hate?

I can sympathise with people I know who said things like "I'm voting Brexit so we have control of our borders" and now as the boats are still arriving every day and we're still viewed as a soft touch they'll learn the hard way that the EU was just a convenient bogeyman.

Brexit is the biggest disaster to damage this country since WWII. The effects will be felt for decades. I hope that at some point we will return to the EU, but it will take a long time. In the meantime I’m bloody glad I’m entitled to an EU passport.

But this is a free forum and if I want to find a few people like me who hate Brexit I think that's allowed. Feel free to disagree as others have.

Go onto the Brexit topic and you’ll find plenty of people who hate Brexit. In fact it’s a cosy little club where dissenters are quickly sent packing so you’ll feel right at home there.