to hate what Brexiters have done

[mrsmootoo]

I know this has been done before, but knowing that we are now likely on course for a No Deal Brexit in the midst of a pandemic I am so angry and upset about what Brexiters voted for. I'll forgive any who were conned and now think better of it, but I cannot get over the loss of Freedom of Movement to live and work in the EU - not so much for me, but for my children - and the way the UK is sliding in international standing economically and in attracting doctors, nurses, scientists etc. (I know from before that Leavers don't care what I think, but just had to post).

Its happening though , argue all you like and moan about it but it wont change it
Also could some of you tell me sat lottery numbers because you seem to be able to look into the future and say with certainty what will happen . No ifs or buts

Why not do something about it instead of whining? It’s not difficult to get an EU passport.

@annabel85 I think they meant the uncontrolled migration from within the EU.

@SerendipityJane

What some people never realised was by taking away EU citizens FOM into the UK, the UK took away UK citizens FOM into the EU.

it's now affecting UK citizens ability to get jobs in the EU. Something that every single trumpeter for Brexit from Farage down promised would not happen.

It's weird that UK citizens with dual nationality have an advantage over UK citizens. But it must be what was intended, surely. Everyone knew what they were voting for ?

And UK citizens remaining in the EU are going to have to find the money for health insurance (if it will cover them) from next year.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/job-interviews-british-citizens-europe-brexit-a9593066.html

British citizens living in the EU are increasingly being refused job interviews because of their impending Brexit loss of free movement rights, MPs have been told.

And yet Canadians, Americans, Kurds, Norwegians, Icelanders for example, all work in the EU without too much problem. It is possible still to do so, and depending what you do, so Civil service, HM Forces etc, there are even fewer issues.

You should also note, that even being from an EU member state, and living in Belgium, for example, if you lose your job, they want you out as soon as possible, and i have been told by my local Gemeente that Belgian law overrides EU law in practice.

Brexit is the biggest disaster to damage this country since WWII
LOL. You not noticed the pandemic that's effectively shut the economy down for almost a third of the year?

And yet Canadians, Americans, Kurds, Norwegians, Icelanders for example, all work in the EU without too much problem.

Because their governments have negotiated a reciprocal agreement that the UK hasn't.

I'll tune in for you next weeks lecture about how apples are the same as oranges, only not the same colour or taste.

@SerendipityJane nope dont think they have reciprocal deals all of them
Canada is very hard to go and kivw and work

Canada is very hard to go and live and work

But the assertion was "Canadians, Americans, Kurds, Norwegians, Icelanders for example, all work in the EU without too much problem.".

So who cares how easy or not it is to work in Canada ?

The question is how easy is it for Canadians, Americans, Kurds, Norwegians, Icelanders to live and work in the EU when compared to the current status for a UK citizen ?

I really wish these "aspirational" read wannabe wealthy wankers that voted to leave had drunk their proverbial koolaid before their communal pissing inthe water supply of the UK.

Well objectively there is a chance individual countries will make it more difficult (e.g. by creating Visa and/or financial requirements) than is currently the case

Those rules have existed for many years, they are not new.
Min income & health insurance are just two.

As for immigration, Raab has just announced he will give the right to live and work in the UK for up to 5 years to 3 million Hong kong citizens, unlike say someone from Poland, they will never return to their home country.

I wish I could say I’m sorry lol but I’m not in the slightest...

I wonder if there is some weird karma at play on these threads as the votes always sit at 52/48 when I look at them.

Chad - by tangible, do you mean money in your bank account this month or this year? Sometimes you need to take a longer view and have principles. There have been very many discussions on this issue. Some very clear, patient and coherent explanations. This website isn’t the most informative on this issue tbh. I suggest that either you do some more reading & research or you accept that you are incapable of understanding the issues either wilfully or otherwise.

*I really wish these "aspirational" read wannabe wealthy wankers that voted to leave had drunk their proverbial koolaid before their communal pissing inthe water supply of the UK
Nice. really nice.
Anyway, I thought the leavers were all thick Northern feckless poor?.

It’s not difficult to get an EU passport.

@Emperorcoviduala, please tell me how I can get one. No, I don’t have a parent or grandparent born on the island of Ireland.

Because their governments have negotiated a reciprocal agreement that the UK hasn't. Nope, not at all, yet those people still manage to live and work in the EU.

No, it isn't as easy as just having FOM, but if you had bothered to read the remainder of my post, you would have noted that FOM isn't a given. I declined to follow my husband's status and hand over my ID card when he was being dicked about by the Belgians with regards to his diplomatic status, and the woman in the local Gemeente threatened to have me deported. When I pointed out FOM, I was told that Belgian law was more important and over rode EU law.

The UK gold plates and follows the directives; the rest of the EU just nods, smiles and follows their own rules.

Nor do I and I’d love an EU passport. How do we get one?

Another one here who would love to know how to get an EU passport, if it's 'not difficult'. And one for my daughter too, who was born in an EU country but doesn't have one either.

And yet Canadians, Americans, Kurds, Norwegians, Icelanders for example, all work in the EU without too much problem.

It really isn’t easy for an American to work legally in the EU. They might manage to get a work visa if they have specialist skills, but most average Americans can forget it.

Young Canadians may be eligible for a Working Holiday visa.

Norway and Iceland are part of the EEA, so have accepted FOM.

Kurdistan isn’t an official sovereign state.

I don’t think you understand the issues that led people to vote for Brexit over and over again in the space of a few years.

In England. Scotland has voted over and over again PRO EU.

I'm hoping someone's going to say we voted for the blue passports and big bus slogan !
Love it when remainers do that :-)

I have nothing against people who voted Leave 4 years ago.

I will NEVER forgive those who promised one set of things and then did a complete switchroo.

"I know we said it was going to be steak but it's actually a poo sandwich. But the people voted for it so you must have it."

I'll never forgive the people who continue to cheer it on as it became obvious that it was a total con job all linked up with the con of Trump.

Oooh, ooh, I've thought of another one: brexit voters need to "own it"
Are people still saying this favourite and has anyone a clue what the hell it actually, practically means yet?

I have nothing against people who voted Leave 4 years ago.

Unless they come clean, and admit the current shitshow is nothing like what they wanted or were promised, then I still have an enormous amount against them. Gaslighting is abuse in a relationship, and it's abuse in politics.

Most developed countries set quite high hurdles for economic migrants, to achieve the balance of skills their economy requires. You can't just move to most countries on a whim and expect to be allowed to settle in, find a job and rent a home; if you buy a home over a minimum threshold and prove your income does not require you to work, that's a different category. I was an emigrant to the USA, and qualified as an IR1 via marriage, but I would not have been allowed to live and work there without marrying. A 60 or 90 day tourist visa explicitly prohibits you from working in every country that's stamped my passport.

FOM within the EU was a bit of an experiment when the mid and east European expansion happened. Nobody expected so much migration so quickly, and the UK didn't limit numbers at all. Over two decades, society has had to absorb them. It's a personal decision for the individual migrant, but whole towns have been transformed by the shift. Many of my family live in a smallish town in the Midlands and since the early 1990s when DM moved in, her whole street of 18 x 2-up, 2-down terraced Victorian cottages have been bought to let and split into flats. Only three are still in single family occupation. Mulltiply this nationally, and now a lot of older voters feel they were not consulted and have been edged aside.

FoM benefitting mostly the MC?? The MC, broadly speaking more money and more qualifications, will be able to get visas to other countries far more easily than those without.