to hate what Brexiters have done

[mrsmootoo]

I know this has been done before, but knowing that we are now likely on course for a No Deal Brexit in the midst of a pandemic I am so angry and upset about what Brexiters voted for. I'll forgive any who were conned and now think better of it, but I cannot get over the loss of Freedom of Movement to live and work in the EU - not so much for me, but for my children - and the way the UK is sliding in international standing economically and in attracting doctors, nurses, scientists etc. (I know from before that Leavers don't care what I think, but just had to post).

UK isn't over populated but it is underfunded for the current population level.
A collapsed economy, due to CV and helped along by brexit won't level up on the issues you raised.

and yes, most people are thick, look at how they take no notice of CV restrictions? yet have a vote.

I have no interest in people like you HingeandBracket. In real life or on here. I won't respond again.

Immigration should never have been a reason to vote leave. We should welcome immigration.

We have an ageing population with a working population struggling to support those in retirement and not having enough babies to even out the issue in the future. Immigration of workers helps this issue as they pay taxes into our system.

Anyone complaining about migrants is short sighted.

@Startyanodealstockpile

I have no interest in people like you HingeandBracket. In real life or on here. I won't respond again.

Excellent - you sound like a proper, open-minded, inclusive, tolerant democrat.

@WiseOwl69

Immigration should never have been a reason to vote leave. We should welcome immigration.

We have an ageing population with a working population struggling to support those in retirement and not having enough babies to even out the issue in the future. Immigration of workers helps this issue as they pay taxes into our system.

Anyone complaining about migrants is short sighted.

And how will that ponzi scheme work when the immigrants get old? Or do we have to have a continual "churn" of young healthy immigrants and send them back before they retire?

You could have removed "what", "have" and "done" from the title, OP and you'd be right.

Anyone interested in the idiocy and hypocrisy of Brexiteers, read this:

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1277505330885386240.html

It is glorious.

@Hopeforall

But this is a free forum and if I want to find a few people like me who hate Brexit I think that's allowed. Feel free to disagree as others have.

Go onto the Brexit topic and you’ll find plenty of people who hate Brexit. In fact it’s a cosy little club where dissenters are quickly sent packing so you’ll feel right at home there.

99% of posters on here hate Brexit and anyone who voted for it.

And on the next topic they will be virtue signalling about democracy and human rights, inclusivity and respect for diversity and what a tolerant society we are - except for people who voted leave of course.

If I could leave permanently the country without abandoning my ageing parents, I would.

I hate the xenophobic little country we've become. The irony of those 'you like Europe so much, why don't you piss off there!' comments is that now myself and my kids will find it incredibly hard to bugger off and live in another country.

Plus - really? An inevitable self-inflicted Brexit recession ON TOP of the one we face following Covid? FFS. Ideology over lives. 🤯

Immigration isn't a Ponzi scheme, thats ridiculous.

Our elderly need looking after, our crops need picking and our food needs processing!
What do you propose we do once EU migration is halted?

The UK never applied the EU rules on non productive migrants and with a non contributory benefits system, we allowed a free for all.
We don't have an ID system, so we have no clue who is here, what they do, what they claim or where they work.

@Hingeandbracket

Not all immigrants will stay and retire here.
Some will have children who will pay into the system.
Raising the state pension ages will help in the future by the time the current working population retire but doesn’t help currently.

You do realise it’s already a “ponzi scheme” right? Immigrants or no immigrants. The workers pay taxes that pay the current retirees state pension and so on. There is currently a strain as the baby boomers have retired and they are a large population vs the current workers.

what a tolerant society we are - except for people who voted leave of course

Yep, never yet heard a sensible reason to leave the EU, its all about flags, Spitfires, warm beer and the sound of leather on willow.

People who voted leave are like the vandals who smash up their own youth club or bus shelter.

But the tide is turning, around 55% vs 37% want to stay in the EU now.

@InOutofmymind

Immigration isn't a Ponzi scheme, thats ridiculous.

Our elderly need looking after, our crops need picking and our food needs processing!
What do you propose we do once EU migration is halted?

The UK never applied the EU rules on non productive migrants and with a non contributory benefits system, we allowed a free for all.
We don't have an ID system, so we have no clue who is here, what they do, what they claim or where they work.

But none of those things (ID system, contributory benefits etc) could be done without massive costs and disruption. Look what a shitstorm UC has been and that's a tiny reform compared to what reform to a contributory system would be. ID cards and the database would be hugely expensive and for it to be a deterent to illegal living and working it would need to include a lot of demands to show ID we don't currently have.

Immigration is a net gain to the U.K. So using it as a reason to vote brexit was very short sighted: www.oxfordeconomics.com/recent-releases/8747673d-3b26-439b-9693-0e250df6dbba

we should welcome immigration

I do. Wholeheartedly.

I don’t welcome uncontrolled immigration, and that’s the difference.

I'm a Brexiteer and guess what? I'm not sorry I'm very grateful that we finally got here despite the opposition who tried to overturn the vote.

I do understand why Remainers feel sad about many aspects of Brexit. But because they cannot afford Leavers the same understanding my sympathy is limited.

What some people never realised was by taking away EU citizens FOM into the UK, the UK took away UK citizens FOM into the EU.

it's now affecting UK citizens ability to get jobs in the EU. Something that every single trumpeter for Brexit from Farage down promised would not happen.

It's weird that UK citizens with dual nationality have an advantage over UK citizens. But it must be what was intended, surely. Everyone knew what they were voting for ?

And UK citizens remaining in the EU are going to have to find the money for health insurance (if it will cover them) from next year.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/job-interviews-british-citizens-europe-brexit-a9593066.html

British citizens living in the EU are increasingly being refused job interviews because of their impending Brexit loss of free movement rights, MPs have been told.

Oh I think most people realised that, serendipity. But this is where class does come into play. If you are working class and work as a dinner lady while your husband is a factory worker, you won’t ever be moving to Provence. It just isn’t a big deal to many people.

To be fair @darkcaramel the vast majority of the UK couldn't afford to move to Provence , but lots of people of all classes, including your working class example, have wanted to retire to Spain or cheaper areas of France. A little apartment in Spain for less than 50k is a dream of many.

I didn't realise people couldn't travel to the EU post Brexit?

Who has said people won't be able to travel to the EU @puzzledpiece ?

Of course people will be able to travel to the EU , just like they can travel anywhere else in the world. Brexit isn't going to stop anyone going on holiday for a couple of weeks to Spain. People will just need to ensure they have enough health insurance and be aware of any changes to visa requirements, changes to driving licence requirements and boring but essential stuff like that, before they travel. Possibly factor in needing to get to the Airport earlier as you will be in the rest of the world queue ?

I didn't vote as YANBU to think it. I just disagree with you.

How do you feel about Independence for Scotland. Should we tell them NO once and for all? I mean how dare they!

It’s certainly probable that some ‘ordinary’ people may have decided to retire to Spain or France, and I don’t deny brexit changed or limited that.

Is it a major consideration though, for ‘ordinary’ people in their 30s, say? I don’t think it is. I really think most people have more pressing concerns about employment, pay, job stability, democracy, identity

@longwayoff

It's grim. Reminds me of the old film 'Passport to Pimlico'.

It's more like resigning from a job with few prospects and where you are unappreciated and going back to working for yourself. Something people do all the time. It's actually considered admirable to run your own company.

The EU doesn't own us. We're not rebelling against the rightful government.
Also the EU is quite a recent thing. When I first went to work there was no such thing and we managed ok without someone to tell us what to do

I voted to remain but your post makes me eye roll so hard. Do you honestly believe what you're saying?!

I could live a lot easier with Brexit if the whole thing hadn't been poisoned with lies, and if we hadn't allowed ourselves to be dragged into this nightmare scenario of a no-deal exit from the EU - I don't believe anyone voted for food, fuel and medicine shortages, rising food prices and unemployment - all of which are predicted by our own 'government' (Yellowhammer risk assessment).