Do you judge people going on foreign holidays right now?

[LoganRoy]

I don’t know anyone in my life doing this, but I’ve seen reality stars go abroad and then post on social media. Some people have called them out on it. Do you know people doing it?

YABU to judge, the countries need tourism
YANBU to judge, it’s non-essential travel only right now

@squashyhat But Canada is still closed anyway, you couldn't go even if you wanted to.

I wonder if the air bridge allowed travel to Canada, would you be so high up on that horse?

@LEELULUMPKIN I had no idea I was so powerful.

Look, I'm simply stating my view of the situation, from the POV of someone who lives in Devon. I'm not stopping anyone from visiting, just asking them to consider the residents and their safety and to perhaps think about the effect of thousands of people swarming in their locality, making it dangerous for them to venture outside.

People will do as they please anyway, I certainly am not proposing to stop people in their cars and check where they've come from, simply appealing for a little compassion. Not one poster has tried to see it from a resident's side, but you've leapt on to attack me when I've done nothing but ask you to put yourself in my shoes for just a moment.

@BetsyBigNose why do people who live in tourist areas then moan ?
If its allowed people will travel and its not your outside space, it never has been , unless you go and but some land any public space is for that , the public be they live local or not
And as for tourism , obvioulsly everyone would rather there health but being solvent reflects on your health also
And you may think you don't rely on tourism but of places shut , that will affect you as you wont be able to use them and also more people looking for jobs in area , house prices could drop
There are a lot of knock on affects to consider as well just because you directly dont rely on tourism it can affect you indirectly

I may go once I see what the air bridge scheme looks like and if FCO advice changes. I wouldn't travel without insurance, and my policy includes COVID cover.

I originally planned to go to Cornwall this year for the first time, but after reading absolute vitriol towards Londoners over the last few months I won't be bothering. No-one owns the beaches in their locality.

I still don't see the difference between someone driving to France and driving to Cornwall. The virus is here already.

I wouldn't if they were following the guidelines.

We're staying home this year, ourselves - just a week or so in Cornwall but that's it for this summer.

@BetsyBigNose I am sorry that you feel it was a personal attack, as it most certainly wasn't.

It just so happened that yours was the first post that I had seen on this thread with that point of view.

It just seems that throughout all of this nightmare certain areas of the country have been very hostile to their fellow citizens whilst many other tourist areas have kept quiet, realising how important it is to maintain good relations for when (if ever this nightmare ends) it will be to their local economy.

And for the record, you have no idea where I live, I am actually IN your shoes but realise that this whole mess has been terribly mishandled by our so called government, the majority of the blame for this should be laid at their door as the advice and strategy (if they even had one) they have been giving out has been totally inept and inadequate.

I just think by keeping banging on about "staying away" will now do certain areas a great deal of damage, that's all.

no, I would not. I am going myself. Lots of my friends are going but we are a bunch of EU foreigners living here to see parents or close family back home I really don't see the issue.

No judgement from me - they probably feel they have to go if flights are operating and the accommodation is open.

I save my judgement for those who are hypocritical. Like a woman I know who works in a school and thinks they should still be closed as they're not safe (she's not got a shielding letter) but where did I see her last week? Bluewater shopping centre

Is anyone else wondering why the hell anyone even cares about holidays after all that has happened to us??

We have just lost 45,000 people - 45,000 people - it is a staggering and horrific number of deaths in just a few months.
Thousands more will have to cope with life changing health problems, to think that some people care so little about putting themselves and others in that position is deeply upsetting to most people, and not without good reason!!!

Of course travelling is high risk, of course it is. Ask any Epidemiologist or scientist their thoughts on the safety of flights, airports and hotels, and they will soon tell you, and they have made it crystal clear.

Just because some people think they 'deserve' a holiday, even knowing that putting themselves and others at risk of a hideous, agonising and lonely death that comes with covid for me is just reckless and beyond selfish.

Pigeon999. At what point would it be ok? We have to start opening up the economy at some point and that includes travel in the same way as shops, restaurants etc. Our economy also needs inbound tourism as well as outbound. Thousands and thousands of jobs are being lost and poverty, anxiety and depression may become huge issues.

Things are not perfect but infection rates are dropping and we are not in the same position as we were in early March. We can't all just stay at home indefinitely and we could be infected in a shop, pub, restaurant on a bus or at work.

It isn't as if other countries are infected and we are not.

stella Honestly, if that is a serious question? It would be better if we were in control of our own infection rates, as it is they are still too high and therefore we pose a big risk to other countries (especially the ones that are ill equipped to deal with a big outbreak) Leicester is back in lockdown, other regions will follow.

We know for sure that the virus spreads when people are confined in close proximity to each other in small spaces, and people are unable to socially distance (I am thinking aircrafts because that is exactly how it will be for hours on end) We know that one infected person will infect not only rows in front but also behind. It will not take long for Covid to rip through a plane load of people and continue spreading throughout airports and into people's homes. We know all of this and yet still people want to fly and to travel (and spread) the virus around.

A good time to travel will be when we have effective treatments in hospitals widely available, we have a vaccine and covid is no longer killing tens of thousands of people.

No one NEEDS a holiday, it is purely optional, but people do need to eat, to work and pay bills so that is considered essential. It is not the same Stella.

The point is that holidays are never essential to anyone, and to take on that volume of risk not just to you, but everyone around you for weeks afterwards just for a week on the beach is staggering. I can't believe the gov are even considering it....

Everyone I know has rescheduled to next year.
Lots of British holidays this year.

Pigeon999 I 100% agree with you that no-one needs a holiday. It is a luxury. However we do need for our economy to survive and thousands of people are employed in that industry. If at least some travel and holidays are not opened up soon then the holidays that people are planning for next year may not happen as holiday companies and airlines will go under.

I'm not advocating that we should suddenly all have the freedom to travel wherever we like, or have people travel here with no restriction. But we have to start somewhere. A small number of countries to which we can travel, with a reduced number of flights operating, seems like a sensible, phased approach. There will be a limited number of flights and holidays available this summer. I prefer to see it happen in this way where there is some control and where jobs can be saved whilst protocols for safe travel can be thoroughly tested.

All of this is predicated on infection rates falling, which they are. In my area of London there have been no new cases for nearly 2 weeks.

I live in a small town in the West of Ireland. We had gone about 6 weeks with only one case, family of three comes back from abroad and we go from 1 to 15.....

I know of one family looking to go abroad in August because they don’t want to holiday in the U.K. They were scared off by the aggressive ‘keep out’ stuff coming out of places like Cornwall.

I don't judge, but I do feel jealous!

Even if there is another lockdown and stranded tourists are bailed out, the cost of this will pale in comparison to that of the travel industry folding.

I'd hope that we've learned from experience and a international lockdown would happen in a more controlled way, though. The R number was 3-4 in March so the brakes needing slamming, but the data now available should make these decisions better planned and more predictable

If people want to travel abroad then they should crack on. I won’t be.

But I don’t think the government should be bailing them out if the country they travel to ends up back in lockdown. You go abroad now, then IMO you do so at your own risk.

Barnsley is the latest town reporting increased COVID figures, so Leicester is by no means going to be the last.

It isn't as if other countries are infected and we are not.

No, it's more that we are infected and some other countries (or parts of other countries) are not. Until we get there.

The number of people on this thread saying what amounts to "Oh, it's perfectly all right, no British people will be put at greater risk"- can you actually hear yourselves?

Corythatwas you quoted me, but I really didn't mean it in the way you implied. I certainly don't think it's only British people we should be considering.

However we do need for our economy to survive and thousands of people are employed in that industry

Then we should be talking about supporting the travel industry, not putting lots of people and children on planes to either spread or catch covid. I agree stella it would/will be awful to see so many job losses, but a support package or something along those lines would be much better. To me it is negligence, the British government should not be allowing this. Of course people will go if they are desperate, a decision should have been made to keep them safe.

Travel industry, hospitality, arts sector, beauticians... I mean, just how many industries do people think the govt can prop up?

The skeleton economy not being govt funded is like a bunch of matchsticks trying to hold up very many kg of bricks.

I don't judge in general, just where they go. Especially don't if it is to visit relatives.

Though time off work should be and is a right, going away abroad is not.

Not judging, just jealous.

I will be flying on 31 July, if air bridges go ahead and FCO guidance changes accordingly. If not, not.