Do you judge people going on foreign holidays right now?

[LoganRoy]

I don’t know anyone in my life doing this, but I’ve seen reality stars go abroad and then post on social media. Some people have called them out on it. Do you know people doing it?

YABU to judge, the countries need tourism
YANBU to judge, it’s non-essential travel only right now

@Yesmate Nope, I don't own Devon. Nor do I, or any of my family rely on any form of tourism financially.

I would simply like to be able to use my local outside space - just as you and most of the rest of the UK are able to use theirs - without thousands of people who do not live here, and have their own local, outside space near their own homes which they could be using, failing to comply with social distancing requirements and potentially driving up the infection and death rates in Devon.

Even if my family did rely on tourism financially, I would still prefer us all to be healthy and alive than solvent.

If you haven’t been out how do you know people aren’t social distancing in your area and being careful? Daily mail online?

It’s not YOUR local outside space though. That would be your garden (if you have one) Everywhere is simply outside space.

I don't know anyone with any plans to go abroad. Certainly not this year anyway.
If they were, that's their business. I wouldn't personally, but I wouldn't judge.

I do know a number of people planning UK breaks for August though.

No. It's either allowed or it's not. If it's allowed, you can go if you feel safe to do so.

I live on the edge of the Lake District. But it's not my outdoor space. It doesn't belong to me. If there are no longer restrictions stopping people from coming, then they are welcome to come, as far as I'm concerned.

We are, either this month or August. Not flying though, we've got a campervan. Just waiting for the FCO advice to change before we set a date.
I don't mind if things are a bit different to usual. The weather here is bollox and campervanners are not welcomed in the UK.

I'm starting to get very tired indeed of judgy twats. Sanctimony is an ugly look.

I dont know anyone going away.
I'm not booking anything.
Do I judge? No, people can make their own minds up about they want to do about this situation.

I would simply like to be able to use my local outside space - just as you and most of the rest of the UK are able to use theirs - without thousands of people who do not live here, and have their own local, outside space near their own homes which they could be using, failing to comply with social distancing requirements and potentially driving up the infection and death rates in Devon.

It’s not your outside space any more than Regent’s Park is mine. Plus, as I said, our local parks are utterly rammed so I’m not sure why the locals of Devon are entitled to empty beaches when the rest of the country is suffering the lockdown.

Not at all. I would be off myself, if the place I want to go open for tourists, but this is not happening until the beginning of August. In addition I have an added complication of travelling from where I live (not UK) on a UK passport. This means I need to treble check that I will actually be allowed into the country and allowed back into my country of residence (although isolation would not be an issue at present).
People should be capable of making their own decisions based on the information available AND respecting the decisions of others (particularly if they are at odds with their own).

I see it as individual choice. Personally I think we should all be doing our bit for the uk economy rather than going abroad to spend our money but it's not for me to tell anyone else what to do. I'm not judging people for going abroad when they have been told they can. As long as they don't mix with the vulnerable. I don't really see the difference between socially distancing abroad / on holiday and at home. Many people aren't socially distancing at all now - I'm much more bothered by them.

I privately think they are a bit dumb but am also always a bit jealous of people that can be so carefree. If the FCO say its fine then go for it imo.
I'm still a bit Scaredy Mcscared pants about the whole thing though so holidays aren't on my radar yet.

We are driving through the Tunnel (so you don't even need to leave your car) to a self-catering holiday booked pre-Covid. There are fewer cases there and excellent healthcare and our annual travel insurance covers us, so why would we not go? I would question the risk assessing skills of anyone judging us for that.

I imagine those that are going have not considered the implications of being seriously ill overseas.

Some of us have had that experience already, and really would not recommend it. Especially if you do have not have proper travel insurance in place.

HAHAHA
I am guessing you haven't experienced being ill in this country in our dated and inefficient hospitals lacking resources and staff, as opposed to the sheer luxury of some of the infrastructures from "foreign" hospitals.

It's this smug attitude towards our frankly shit NHS that ended up bringing the country to its knee- because we cannot cope. You'd have thought reality would have hit home by now...

The country we are going to has a way better health service and reciprocal healthcare arrangement with here which we out to the test once when I developed tooth ache there. If one of us showed signs of illness the other would drive us all home. Friends who have had Covid have found it quite a slow progressing disease not fine one minute wham the next.

Don't care about other people, I'm too much of a wimp to go and quite happy waiting as it's been 3 months not years! But each time their own

Don't care about other people, I'm too much of a wimp to go and quite happy waiting as it's been 3 months not years! But each TO their own

People who post that they are not frightened or if all goes to hell we can always come back seem to be ignoring the fact that they are the risk to other people!

This country is one of the greatest infection hubs on earth: almost anywhere you go the greatest risk is that you will be taking new infection to people who have already made great sacrifices to keep their fellow countrymen safe.

Everybody is talking about their own potential experiences of being ill abroad or whatever- it's as if the people there don't matter.

And don't let's forget that many of them have already been through far stricter lockdowns than we have.

Abroad isn't just made up of hoteliers who are naturally anxious to see some income. There are vulnerable people there too, health staff and care home staff who will be at risk of viral overload in a second wave.

I would love to see my parents in an area of Sweden which has seen very little infection. But even if I could arrange to keep them safe during my visit, there is no way I could keep everybody else safe on the way: the people on the same aeroplane, the airport staff, the bus driver who has to take me there, the fellow passengers on the bus etc etc. I'm not going. However much it breaks my heart, it would break it more to have to wonder if I had caused a sudden spike of infection somewhere that might have been safer without me.

I would have been quite judgy initially but I know someone with a skin condition that is vastly improved by the sun... they see going abroad as a medical necessity , I’m sure people will look at them and judge them at the airport but they will stay in a self catering place, won’t socialise outside the family etc. People have individual needs that it’s hard to give a blanket rule for

I live in the middle of nowhere
I’m going on holiday to the middle of nowhere

Between the two places I will have to wear a mask, in all shops while there I will have to wear a mask, masks are easily available and cheap.

The country I’m going to is FAR better organised than this shower here, I’m no risk to anyone.

We are all responsible for OUR OWN risk. Those at greater risk must take greater precautions.

Where I’m going, they get this.

janice Your kind of post reminds me why travelling is so important, because is opens the mind. You clearly have not spent very much time overseas, certainly not long enough to have had any meaningful experience of the health care. The NHS is an incredible health service, and completely free at the point of access. There are very very few completely free health care systems in the world that offer anything like the NHS. You lack of respect for the NHS is really telling. Had you spent any amount of time in hospitals around southern Europe - like Greece and others you may not feel so confident.

Basing your decisions with such flawed facts and an absence of both common sense and information.

**it

I know I'm a health risk to other people.
I can live with that.
I can live with every single one of you you being a risk to me & to people I love, too.

I'm unhappy about all the risks we aren't talking about & are pretending are made completely irrelevant by covid.

I hope anyone jetting off to foreign hols has a great time.

With posts like @BetsyBigNose is it any wonder folk don't want to holiday in this country?

Tomorrow I was due to fly to Canada for three weeks. I was going to see my friend of over 50 years, who I haven't seen for 20 of those, and do a road trip with her. So yes, I am fucking judging the tossers who are going to extend the crisis for those of us who for some increasingly unfathomable reasons care more about society than our own selfish needs.

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