Do you judge people going on foreign holidays right now?

[LoganRoy]

I don’t know anyone in my life doing this, but I’ve seen reality stars go abroad and then post on social media. Some people have called them out on it. Do you know people doing it?

YABU to judge, the countries need tourism
YANBU to judge, it’s non-essential travel only right now

We cannot leave the country (with some very limited exceptions, certainly not for a holiday) and anyone coming in (again very limited) has to stay in mandatory quarantine for 14 days. Guess that's why our country has a total of 104 deaths so far and the UK has 43,730 from this morning's available statistics. Yes, I judge!

Totally different scenario being at the other end of the earth with a wide sea border. You can not compare a highly connected European country with Australia.

The travel ban clearly isn’t working as I’ve got a schoolfriend from Brisbane currently gallivanting around Hawaii on holidays and openly sharing the photos on social media (why do Australians go to Hawaii to make bad choices?)

It’s COVID osmosis - some people in a high COVID area are desperate to go to a low COVID area to spread it there instead. How about this year people just stay at home or have a local holiday & once it’s better controlled in the UK, then go on holiday.

Greek government permitting we'll be jetting off to Greece for 2 weeks on July 15.

Why?

I've been working in community pharma through Covid-19. More than likely would have caught it at work if I was going to.

DH is a travel blogger who knows how poorly communities which rely on tourism are doing. He wants to support his industry.

Greece handled Covid-19 better than our shit show government ever could have. Safer there than here on mega death island (totally stealing that)

And finally, most importantly, I refuse to live my life in fear. Thankfully I am young and healthy, so is my DH and so are my parents. I get the option to take these risks. Doesn't mean I'm not desperately sad for those who have lost loved ones or been effected by Covid-19. I have decided to risk assess the opportunity to travel and deemed Greece an acceptable risk. No way would I go to the USA, Middle East or North Africa.

Oh I'm also going out for dinner on Saturday night supporting a small local restaurant as they get back on their feet. Feel free to judge me. I'm comfortable with my life choices.

Yanbu. I think it's very selfish to fly abroad, inevitably additional people will catch the virus due to international travel. Presumably anyone who catches it on planes etc whilst on holiday will expect the NHS to pay for their treatment and risk their staff lives. As for treatment abroad, good luck unless you have fantastic travel insurance and speak the local language.

There are far less selfish options, like staying in a UK cottage, caravan, campsite or even hotel. Airplanes are sealed canisters of germs at the best of times.

I don't judge, no. I'd go abroad myself but my job is at risk in the current climate, so I don't want to spend any money.

The air bridges should be for essential travel only.

Aside from risk of infection & spread of the virus, holidaymakers that chose to travel will be very disappointed as the holiday they looked forward too will be very different to past holiday experiences.

I can understand people want to get back to living a normal life but they will not be escaping or getting a break from Covid by going on holiday. Lots of restrictions still in place for safety.

I can just imagine the threads in a couple of weeks from people disappointed that their holiday was not the relaxing break they hoped for.

Lots of people I know have cancelled their trips this summer, things are changing so quickly with Covid not the best time for international travel IMHO.

One friend of mine, spoke to her hotel on Lanzarote and was told temp check & hand sanitizer on arrival, given masks to wear, takeaway orders at the bar only, no sitting on terrace or in the bar, wear a mask at the pool, only 10 people max allowed by the pool, to enable SD etc. She has a young child and said no way would he understand to SD when he wants to play with other children in the pool.

My advice would be to speak to where you have booked to stay directly.

I don't judge people going on a foreign holiday this summer. But I also won't have much sympathy if they decide to go but then get caught up in some kind of turmoil (e.g. re-imposition of a local lock down, flights back getting cancelled, government changing its mind on air bridges, etc.).

DH & I are not very concerned about the health risk of traveling, but the reasonably high potential for disruption of one kind or another does not make for a very relaxing holiday. We'll therefore be holidaying in the UK this summer.

I don’t judge. The only reason I’m not going abroad is because I hate flying. I’m sticking to my UK holiday though

I'm going on a foreign holiday towards the end of this year - to be honest I don't really care that people might judge me; there are plenty of people going on foreign holidays this year. I for one miss my freedom and can't wait to get it back! Life must go on (as must the economy).

If an air bridge is announced today, which it should be, we're off next week. We booked pre-covid, our annual insurance policy is covering us and I actually think it will be a quiet time to travel.

We were planning on using public transport once there (Italy) but have now hired a car and it's very much a walking and scenic destination, not a city. I won't be posting on social media so only a few people will even know we've been. When we return we will continue to work from home, go for walks and limit our interactions with people as per usual.

Pigeon this really really bothers you doesn’t it? Are you the holiday police?

Fail to see how driving to a self catering property in Europe is riskier than driving to one in Devon? No room for all English people to holiday here you should be glad some of us are pushing off

I don’t know anyone doing it but I trust people to evaluate the risks and make the decisions they feel are right for their own families. I wouldn’t generally judge people for making a decision I wouldn’t make.

Yes it does bother me, because it is an idiotic decision to restart international travel and risk a second wave.
If that happens the economy will grind to a halt again, schools will remain closed and the damage to people's lives will just go on and on.

It seems the UK are determined to learn the hard way.

Yes I do.

The only two illnesses I've had over the past 5 years - stomach bug and some sort of throat thing (I don't get ill very often) have hit me two or three days after a long haul flight and I assume I caught them on the plane. So I'm extremely reluctant to get on a plane (ever again actually...).

My next door neighbour is going to England to see her parents for the weekend. (We're in Ireland). When she gets back she'll have to self isolate for 14 days. She's working from home but I don't think she realizes that either she'll have to self isolate from her husband for 14 days or he'll have to self isolate too and that they won't be able to go out at all. I think she's a bit silly not to wait a bit longer and I'm pretty sure she won't self isolate fully either.

No judgment here. The last few months have been miserable.
The world would be a better place if people stopped judging and minded their own business. If you are concerned that they might become ill or carry it and pass it on to you then avoid then for 14 days when they get back. Other than that just live your life.

Airplanes are sealed canisters of germs at the best of times.

All of the air in a plane is replaced every 2-3 mins so not really a sealed container.

I will go at the end of August as planned if I can get travel insurance.

I'd feel safer in Greece which has far fewer cases and much better adherence to social distancing rules than Brighton or Cornwall tbh.

Just waiting to see what happens. I've been locked down alone with my kids, working an extremely busy job, home educating - I need a holiday and am willing to risk it if I can get insurance.

I think those willing to tavel abroad and risk the heath of themselves and their families are utterly bonkers!

I am a Devonian and live 10 minutes from the beach, but haven't been there since February, initially due to lockdown, then later due to the huge influx of people using them.

For the tourists who are planning to come and holiday here (or who have already been here), it's the equivilent of thousands and thousands of random people (and their germs) turning up and taking over your local green space - making it unsafe for you and your families to use.

I understand the frustration of holidays being cancelled, but it's incredibly unfair that we are unable to safely use our local outdoor space because people want a holiday. I'd love a holiday too, but there's no way I'd travel abroad at the moment - in fact I haven't been more then 3 miles from home in the last 4 months - but I think it's equally selfish to come and holiday in an area where people live, leaving us unable to even go for a walk, safe in the knowledge that we're not going to be caught up in a crowd of people who are failing to socially distance from one another.

Just call me Judgy McJudgerson.

If some people don't go on foreign holidays, all the airlines/travel agents will go bust so quite frankly I'm glad they are keeping them going. I am hoping to go later in the year but won't be booking just yet.

I imagine those that are going have not considered the implications of being seriously ill overseas.

Some of us have had that experience already, and really would not recommend it. Especially if you do have not have proper travel insurance in place.

For the tourists who are planning to come and holiday here (or who have already been here), it's the equivilent of thousands and thousands of random people (and their germs) turning up and taking over your local green space - making it unsafe for you and your families to use.

For those of us in London, that’s the reality anyway right now because there’s nothing else to do.

You live in an area almost totally dependent on tourism as the main industry. If the government has no issue with holidays then it’s a bit rich to deny your fellow (particularly young) Devonians an economic recovery, because sliding further into economic meltdown is going to have a much longer impact on more people than the virus.

@BetsyBigNose you don’t own Devon, same as people in Cornwall don’t own that or anywhere else that have been outraged at people visiting. No outrage when you want the tourism for the economy though is there.