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So angry at brother

173 replies

Partychaos · 30/06/2020 19:49

My brother was furloughed in March at 80% of his wage. SIL is working as normal (3 days a week) her work is hugely busy at the moment due to staff being off for childcare/self isolating/shielding and they are crying out for overtime. Brother is at home with 3 kids home schooling.

Brother messaged me in April to ask to borrow some money very apologetic didn’t budget well didn’t realize what a difference it would make to only get 80%. I said of course no problem I understand times are tough. Sent over £250.
May we were talking and he said both older kids needed new trainers and my niece had a growth spurt and he didn’t know what to do. I sorted through some of dd’s clothes and left a huge bin bag of summer clothes for them, I spoke to the kids and we chose the trainers together and I got them delivered to their house. A week later a message saying he didn’t know how he was going to afford the food shopping and he can’t believe how quickly they are going through food- yeah same mate. But I sent over £150.

June -again I’m so sorry to ask but can I borrow £300 I’ve got an unexpected bill I don’t know what to do. Don’t tell SIL I’ve asked. I asked why it was a secret because if I had a bill the person I would be telling is my spouse not my sibling. He said she would feel awkward about borrowing money but he doesn’t know what to do. I talked to dh and he agreed we could send £200 but £300 was too much of a stretch. Sent it over.

I’ve just spoken to my dad who is retired and surviving on state pension, he has nothing to his name and lives month to month. I often need to put extra electric and gas on for him or do a weeks shop. My brother has asked him for the other £100. I’m raging. My dad transferred everything from his account about £80 and has literally about £3 in his pocket. I asked why he said yes and he was upset thinking of his grandkids without food. I asked what he was going to do about food and he said oh I’ll manage It’ll be fine.
I’ve transferred £100 to my dad and have a food shop coming next week with my supermarket delivery.

I know times are tough but surely if your spouse is at home and you only work part time you would picking up all of the overtime possible (office job and social distancing in place so not high risk) Or you would apply for a mortgage holiday, or an overdraft, or a credit card. I don’t know their financial situation eg if they already have debt or what their credit scores are but surely you would look into things like food bank referrals before asking an elderly man for money.

Dh thinks I’m being unreasonable to be so angry that he asked my dad and that he had the ability to say no if he didn’t have it. I think he should have known that my dad would have given him his last for the kids who he adores and he knew that and kind of exploited it.
I’m having wine and I’m not talking to him tonight but I intend to confront him before I do am I being unreasonable to be so pissed off at him?

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Mumsykim3 · 30/06/2020 19:53

Totally not unreasonable - I would be angry! My brother is similar to yours and I do regularly get angry at him. Your poor dad too, my mum is in a similar situation. Best to chat it out with him - good luck! :)

LillianBland · 30/06/2020 19:54

Tell your sil. What’s the betting she knows nothing about any of the money and it’s not actually going on bills? Is it possible he’s got into online gambling, if he’s at home and bored?

Dragongirl10 · 30/06/2020 19:54

I would be LIVID if he was my brother, to ask your elderly and poor dad for money is totally unacceptable.
I would not have lent money without asking to see proof of need and speaking to SIL too l am afraid.
Call him out op

Cherrysoup · 30/06/2020 19:55

Has he paid back anything yet? How will he pay it back? And why is he asking for you not to tell you his wife? I think I’d talk to her.

summerfruitsrainbow · 30/06/2020 19:56

Why does he have to keep it from sil? I would tell her

DoloresOnTheDottedLine · 30/06/2020 19:57

You are not unreasonable to feel angry that he appears to be using you and your dad as a bank machine but I think you are a little unreasonable to be drip feeding him so much cash without having a serious conversation with him about where the money is going, why he keeps asking for more and when you will be paid back. I don’t think you can keep saying yes and then suddenly blow up at him. It’s very odd that he’s hiding the borrowing from his wife though and makes you wonder what he’s spending the cash on. You’ve been generous but now you need to calmly and firmly draw some boundaries.

RandomMess · 30/06/2020 19:58

He is spiralling them into debt - were they living hand to both before? Is SIL doing paid overtime or is she "not allowed" because he doesn't want to look after the DC full time?

Honestly it sounds like he's taking you for a mug and is gambling/smoking weed/doing drugs.

Ellisandra · 30/06/2020 19:58

I wouldn’t be so quick to judge SIL for not upping her hours.
As your brother is obvious a selfish dick, I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that she feels her days off to pick up the slack on homeschooling that he’s failing to do. Just a hunch.
Of course, she might be a freeloader too... but my gut feel will be that she doesn’t know that he’s borrowed from you or your dad.

Ellisandra · 30/06/2020 20:01

I am amazed though, that you handed over £200 towards a surprise £300 bill without (it seems?) knowing what that was surprise was.

Itsjustabitofbanter · 30/06/2020 20:03

I’d defo be having words with your sip. There’s something weird going on here

Partychaos · 30/06/2020 20:03

They had a holiday booked which has been cancelled and a full refund which he applied for in April presumably that would be in by now too.
I have no idea why it’s meant to be a secret from sil and it doesn’t sit right at all. We’re not that close so it will be difficult to talk to her but I think I will need to if my brother can’t give a reasonable explanation.
I don’t think it’s gambling (I hope but you can never tell) but I will keep it in mind.
He’s always been the main earner, and I wonder if it’s some sort of macho thing that he can’t tell her he’s skinny. It’s not happy marriage anyway and I don’t think talking is their strong suit.

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GreenTulips · 30/06/2020 20:06

Most people have done well out of furloughed
No petrol kids clubs nights out takeaways uniform school trips etc etc

He’s not telling you something here

emilybrontescorsett · 30/06/2020 20:07

So our brother is getting 80% of his wages without the usual expense associated with going to work such as transport costs, buying lunch out etc. Also there hasn't been as much to do so no socialising costs etc. He will also be paying less tax and NI. His wife could work overtime. Yet he is borrowing money from both you and your dad.
No something isn't right here.
I would tell SIL and stop lending him money.

FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack · 30/06/2020 20:07

Sounds like a gambling problem. He came back to you for cash after you'd delivered clothes instead of the cash he was hinting for.

Ellisandra · 30/06/2020 20:07

I don’t think you need to tell her - you just need to tell him, “no” to the next sponging request.

Partychaos · 30/06/2020 20:09

Me and dh pretty much wrote off the money from April and May. We said to pay it back when he can but it is money that realistically we can afford to lose if it doesn’t get paid back. The bills in June was a tyre for his car and a repair on the boiler.

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LouHotel · 30/06/2020 20:09

Are you sure she's not doing overtime and he's completely stiffing you.

You have a right to be angry but some of it should be directed at yourself for blindly trusting him.

Lurchermom · 30/06/2020 20:12

How much does he normally earn for a 20% loss to mean he is so short every month? Don't get me wrong I know things are tight and people can be stretched to the limit in a full wage, but to be 'desperate' for £200-£300 every month - is this how much he has lost? If he isn't commuting he should be saving something at least. Id be getting a bit concerned for sure!

Ellisandra · 30/06/2020 20:13

Interesting isn’t it, that he got £250 from you in April, then May was probably £200-£250 depending on how much for trainers on top of the £150. Come May, the unexpected bill is £300. It’s almost like he’s worked out what you can afford / are willing to give - and has pitched it about there, with a bit extra for luck.

Call me cynical... 🤷🏻‍♀️

TorkTorkBam · 30/06/2020 20:14

Talk to her.

If he is into something no good he will lie to you so you need to go to her. If he is having MH problems he is hiding from her and it is resulting in him secretly borrowing money, she needs to know.

Talk to her in the spirit of being worried about your brother given he effectively stole food from an old man.

Partychaos · 30/06/2020 20:14

@emilybrontescorsett that’s exactly what I was thinking. I had the money spare to send over because of savings that we have made in lockdown. Transport, no kids clubs, no meals out etc.

He said he was £600 a month worse off so I presume that means he’s been capped at £2500 per month instead of £3100 which is a decent wage where I live. I will talk to him tomorrow when I’ve calmed down see what’s really going on

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Ellisandra · 30/06/2020 20:16

A tyre for his car? Confused
Did he need it for his daily commute? Hmm

Tyres and boilers are not surprise bills. They are general, predictable, car and household maintenance costs.

Who usually does their childcare? Because if they have 3 kids and both work, I bet they’re saving on that at the moment too. He’s taking the piss.

Disfordarkchocolate · 30/06/2020 20:18

You need to speak to your SIL. Even with more money for food we have saved loads on petrol and not going out. I think he's spending money she doesn't approve of or gambling. Or has lost his job.

LoafingLiz · 30/06/2020 20:20

Your poor dadSad

I'd tear a strip off both of them for taking money from a struggling pensioner.

They should never have asked him, bastards.

Yes I know it was all your brother but I'd make sure she was told.

TheFlis12345 · 30/06/2020 20:25

I don’t believe a word of it. Surely if they can afford for her to work part time and refuse overtime they have excess cash and / or savings? I agree with the poster who suggested gambling. Either that or other debt his wife doesn’t know about.

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