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So angry at brother

173 replies

Partychaos · 30/06/2020 19:49

My brother was furloughed in March at 80% of his wage. SIL is working as normal (3 days a week) her work is hugely busy at the moment due to staff being off for childcare/self isolating/shielding and they are crying out for overtime. Brother is at home with 3 kids home schooling.

Brother messaged me in April to ask to borrow some money very apologetic didn’t budget well didn’t realize what a difference it would make to only get 80%. I said of course no problem I understand times are tough. Sent over £250.
May we were talking and he said both older kids needed new trainers and my niece had a growth spurt and he didn’t know what to do. I sorted through some of dd’s clothes and left a huge bin bag of summer clothes for them, I spoke to the kids and we chose the trainers together and I got them delivered to their house. A week later a message saying he didn’t know how he was going to afford the food shopping and he can’t believe how quickly they are going through food- yeah same mate. But I sent over £150.

June -again I’m so sorry to ask but can I borrow £300 I’ve got an unexpected bill I don’t know what to do. Don’t tell SIL I’ve asked. I asked why it was a secret because if I had a bill the person I would be telling is my spouse not my sibling. He said she would feel awkward about borrowing money but he doesn’t know what to do. I talked to dh and he agreed we could send £200 but £300 was too much of a stretch. Sent it over.

I’ve just spoken to my dad who is retired and surviving on state pension, he has nothing to his name and lives month to month. I often need to put extra electric and gas on for him or do a weeks shop. My brother has asked him for the other £100. I’m raging. My dad transferred everything from his account about £80 and has literally about £3 in his pocket. I asked why he said yes and he was upset thinking of his grandkids without food. I asked what he was going to do about food and he said oh I’ll manage It’ll be fine.
I’ve transferred £100 to my dad and have a food shop coming next week with my supermarket delivery.

I know times are tough but surely if your spouse is at home and you only work part time you would picking up all of the overtime possible (office job and social distancing in place so not high risk) Or you would apply for a mortgage holiday, or an overdraft, or a credit card. I don’t know their financial situation eg if they already have debt or what their credit scores are but surely you would look into things like food bank referrals before asking an elderly man for money.

Dh thinks I’m being unreasonable to be so angry that he asked my dad and that he had the ability to say no if he didn’t have it. I think he should have known that my dad would have given him his last for the kids who he adores and he knew that and kind of exploited it.
I’m having wine and I’m not talking to him tonight but I intend to confront him before I do am I being unreasonable to be so pissed off at him?

OP posts:
Rosebel · 30/06/2020 22:16

I hope it is gambling and not drugs which was my first thought (my brother was like this when he was on drugs). Either way you need to just say no. There is no way he should be struggling on those wages plus what his wife earns. I feel sorry for you and your dad as you both sound lovely but now you need to look after your family and say no more
I agree to tell your SIL as she obviously doesn't know what's going on and she deserves better than that.

SunshineCake · 30/06/2020 22:18

A VR Headset doesn't cost the same as six months rent.

MalcomTuckerisMyIdol · 30/06/2020 22:28

@Rosebel gambling is sadly just as bad as drugs - actually potentially worse. Even the hardest of drug addicts don’t lose thousands in hours (and yes that happens).

PhilipJennings · 30/06/2020 22:28

@Ellisandra

I’m not sure about gambling, because the amounts aren’t that big. Pure speculation but I wonder about previous spending on a credit card and SIL doesn’t know about it. Wonder if this vaguely similar monthly amount for 3 months is the minimum repayment?

Remember it's not just the £300 he gets from OP that he's spending, but they are both receiving income (80% of his full time equivalent wage, 60% FTE of hers as she's part time) and that's all vanishing too despite the OP giving them free childcare and not having entertainment activities to spend it on.

crosseyedMary · 30/06/2020 22:58

'accidentally' tell the SIL, copy her into a message 'by accident'

monkeymonkey2010 · 30/06/2020 23:02

People like him know they can use the kids as an excuse to emotionally manipulate you into handing over money...and he has no shame.

He's taking the piss out of you and also involving you in whatever piss he's taking out of his wife.
I bet she knows nothing about all the money he's been given...and i bet she's the one left with the responsibility of providing for the kids out of 'her' money.

He's on £2500 a month even with his 20% reduction......hardly on the breadline is he?
He's choosing not to spend his own money on the 'extra' expenses - i bet it's usually his wife who has to pay for the 'extra' stuff you've been paying for.

GabsAlot · 30/06/2020 23:02

what a selfish man asking an old frail poor man for money

crosseyedMary · 30/06/2020 23:05

I wonder if his expensive habit is anything to do with sex workers?

IdblowJonSnow · 30/06/2020 23:30

I'd tell your SIL too. Somethings not right and she deserves to know.
Yanbu.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 30/06/2020 23:33

it is money that realistically we can afford to lose if it doesn’t get paid back

Unfortunately I expect he knows this and it's obvious you're being rinsed - especially when you factor in the spending he's doing on I.T. and the dubious issues around bis DH not being told

Clearly there's a great deal more than you're being told and there'd be no more coming from me until I knew what it was (and I'd certainly not be enabling him in the meantime)

VioletGrace · 30/06/2020 23:45

He sounds like a total loser. I cannot stand people who constantly hound others to lend them money. They don't care who they borrow it from, or whether they pay them back or not, they'll just ask anyone and everyone.

I'd be fuming in your situation, OP

justasking111 · 30/06/2020 23:47

I find it odd that your OH is not annoyed at you handing over money to your brother not being blood kin and all. Does he know something you don`t. If your brother who is supposed to be watching the kids rinsing money on gambling/porning whatever, is he a suitable care giver anyway.

altiara · 01/07/2020 00:00

I’d definitely make sure everyone knows that you’re dad’s been left with barely a bean. And remind him how you’ve been on sick pay for x months. AND make sure you get all the money back, or at least keep hounding him for it so he can’t ask for more.
Be blunt, if he’s not embarrassed by asking for money, then don’t be embarrassed about asking for it back.

MadameMeursault · 01/07/2020 00:17

Tell SIL. This sounds dodgy to me. Could there be an OW?

Graphista · 01/07/2020 00:19

[quote MalcomTuckerisMyIdol]@Rosebel gambling is sadly just as bad as drugs - actually potentially worse. Even the hardest of drug addicts don’t lose thousands in hours (and yes that happens).[/quote]
Totally agree with this.

With substance addiction the physical effects curb them to a degree.

With gamblers nothing stops them.

I've a few in my family and they've been known to have nights where they've lost cars, caravans, expensive jewellery even houses.

They just stay awake and keep going on adrenaline and caffeine at the worst points.

They'll beg borrow and steal to do it too.

THEDEACON · 01/07/2020 00:54

I'm another on the speak to SIL band wagon Your brother is covering something up whatever it is she needs to get to the bottom of it and get him dealt with

Jeremyironsnothing · 01/07/2020 01:32

Can you go round and call him out about your poor dad, on their doorstep. Make sure sil overhears. Your anger would be really justified. Borrowing from you would also naturally be dropped into the conversation.

Partychaos · 01/07/2020 08:29

Thank you for responding, it has been very helpful to get different insights.
I just called my brother and told him he needs to come round to my house/garden as we need to talk. I’m shielding so can’t go to his which is annoying as confronting him on his own doorstep when sil was in would have been a very tempting thing to do.

OP posts:
ssd · 01/07/2020 08:31

I'm actually raging at him

ekidmxcl · 01/07/2020 08:47

Your latest updates are absolutely appalling. If you don’t see your nieces/nephews much, this would be enough for me to cut him off. He’s a fucking con artist and will take from a pensioner with nothing and a cancer patient. How much lower could he sink? He’s blatantly used the money to buy massively expensive tech for his kids and himself so that he doesn’t have to look after them. It makes me rage, thinking of people like him sponging money and sitting on their arses for months whilst other people suffer and slave their arses off. I can just imagine the quality and time (not) put into his home ed. The only tiny glimmer here is that he’s helped the economy by spending your money.

IDontLikeZombies · 01/07/2020 09:21

Best of luck OP.
Don't give him anything else, ever. If this is an addiction he will pull all manner of sad faces and emotional contortions to manipulate you. He will be very, very sorry because that's what you want to hear, he'll promise to be better because that's what you need to hear, he might even start paying back some of the money because that's what you want to see.
None of it will be real. Addicts protect their addiction before anything else.
The very kindest thing to do with an addict is to stop giving any aid that helps the addiction. Love them, feed them, support them emotionally but no money.

IDontLikeZombies · 01/07/2020 09:24

Of course, if its not some kind of addiction and he's just a selfish wee man, don't give him anything either.

ZorbaTheHoarder · 01/07/2020 09:29

Hold on to your anger, OP!

I'm sure he will give you a sob story about how tough things are for them at the moment, but he still has a very decent amount of money coming in each month, so he shouldn't need to be borrowing more from everyone else.

He really needs to cut back on all non-essentials and stop sponging off you and your Dad.

Good luck and don't accept any nonsense from him!

SpunBodgeSquarepants · 01/07/2020 09:35

Sorry to say it, but your brother sounds exactly like me at the height of my cocaine addiction. I'd use ANY excuse to get hold of money, even (disgustingly) my children 'desperately' needing clothes/food.

Hanab · 01/07/2020 09:40

Tell your SIL ..

Your brother is using you all for whatever reason & that is not on! Just the fact that he literally took your dads last £££’s is enough for me. Make him pay it back and rather give that money to your dad who needs it more🤷🏻‍♀️