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So angry at brother

173 replies

Partychaos · 30/06/2020 19:49

My brother was furloughed in March at 80% of his wage. SIL is working as normal (3 days a week) her work is hugely busy at the moment due to staff being off for childcare/self isolating/shielding and they are crying out for overtime. Brother is at home with 3 kids home schooling.

Brother messaged me in April to ask to borrow some money very apologetic didn’t budget well didn’t realize what a difference it would make to only get 80%. I said of course no problem I understand times are tough. Sent over £250.
May we were talking and he said both older kids needed new trainers and my niece had a growth spurt and he didn’t know what to do. I sorted through some of dd’s clothes and left a huge bin bag of summer clothes for them, I spoke to the kids and we chose the trainers together and I got them delivered to their house. A week later a message saying he didn’t know how he was going to afford the food shopping and he can’t believe how quickly they are going through food- yeah same mate. But I sent over £150.

June -again I’m so sorry to ask but can I borrow £300 I’ve got an unexpected bill I don’t know what to do. Don’t tell SIL I’ve asked. I asked why it was a secret because if I had a bill the person I would be telling is my spouse not my sibling. He said she would feel awkward about borrowing money but he doesn’t know what to do. I talked to dh and he agreed we could send £200 but £300 was too much of a stretch. Sent it over.

I’ve just spoken to my dad who is retired and surviving on state pension, he has nothing to his name and lives month to month. I often need to put extra electric and gas on for him or do a weeks shop. My brother has asked him for the other £100. I’m raging. My dad transferred everything from his account about £80 and has literally about £3 in his pocket. I asked why he said yes and he was upset thinking of his grandkids without food. I asked what he was going to do about food and he said oh I’ll manage It’ll be fine.
I’ve transferred £100 to my dad and have a food shop coming next week with my supermarket delivery.

I know times are tough but surely if your spouse is at home and you only work part time you would picking up all of the overtime possible (office job and social distancing in place so not high risk) Or you would apply for a mortgage holiday, or an overdraft, or a credit card. I don’t know their financial situation eg if they already have debt or what their credit scores are but surely you would look into things like food bank referrals before asking an elderly man for money.

Dh thinks I’m being unreasonable to be so angry that he asked my dad and that he had the ability to say no if he didn’t have it. I think he should have known that my dad would have given him his last for the kids who he adores and he knew that and kind of exploited it.
I’m having wine and I’m not talking to him tonight but I intend to confront him before I do am I being unreasonable to be so pissed off at him?

OP posts:
AlternativePerspective · 01/07/2020 12:32

I’m not surprised SIL is giving him a hard time. It’s an unhappy marriage mostly because of him by the sounds of things. Am glad you told him you’re not going to be giving him any more money.

ssd · 01/07/2020 12:32

Good for you op. Your brother sounds like a fucking piece of work.

FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack · 01/07/2020 12:32

Wow, good on you for telling him straight. I think you should probably have a chat with your dad as well though to make sure he's not going short of money and food to pay for your brother's poor parenting.

ZorbaTheHoarder · 01/07/2020 12:34

Well done, OP!
It can't have been easy for you, but he really needed to hear it.
Over 300 quid on in-game purchases? That's absolutely bonkers!!
I really hope that he takes your words to heart and ACTS on them!

backseatcookers · 01/07/2020 12:36

I think I love you a bit.

Good for you, I nearly cried reading about your dad. Bloody hell, how could he DO that when he's buying fucking lunchables and letting the kids run up so much money on apps.

And the holiday!! I would be apoplectic. Is there anything he can sell to give your dad that money back right away? If he feels genuinely bad he would.

Thank god for you, you sound like a lovely daughter and a lovely sister - you tried to help him and gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Well done for standing up for yourself and your dad bless him Thanks

GinDrinker00 · 01/07/2020 12:36

Nearly £400 on games for the kids? Wtf?! Confused
I would of made him cancel his holiday there and then and paid you and your dad back.

Thehop · 01/07/2020 12:40

I think you’re absolutely in the right and your brother sounds like a bit of a waste of space. No wonder his wife is sick of him.

Apolloanddaphne · 01/07/2020 12:46

Well done OP. I hope is ashamed enough to go and buy your dad a load of food to see him through.

LaurieFairyCake · 01/07/2020 12:55

Well done Thanks

BlingLoving · 01/07/2020 12:57

He doesn’t want SIL to know he’s borrowing money because they are arguing all the time over the state of the house and how little school work the kids are doing and money already and he didn’t want her to create another argument. Like I’ve mentioned previously it is not a happy marriage.

I'm sorry to say, but I suspect SIL has been on here at some point,

"DH is furloughed and I am working 3 days a week. So DH has said he'd take on the kids and house when I'm working. Instead, kids are getting almost no homeschooling done, the shopping bills have gone through the roof because he can't be bothered to cook so is buying easy to eat branded food and on top of that, the kids are tired and cranky from being on screens constantly. And now I've found out he's been borrowing money from his sister so that he can hide some of this from me. AIBU for calling him a bastard?"

ThickFast · 01/07/2020 13:04

Wow, good on you

Happynow001 · 01/07/2020 13:14

@BlingLoving I think you may be right.

@Partychaos
Good on you for being so straight with your brother. I do think you will need to speak with your SIL, however, in case she really isn't aware of the whole situation. If the situation is to improve she will need to be part of the solution, whether she knows the hole they are in or not.

I don't think that any contrition on your brother's part will last as he seems to have no guilt in taking money from your financially hard pressed father. Really such poor behaviour- especially with the comment that his father could have said No. No guilt there then..

I do hope a solution can be found. 🌹

justasking111 · 01/07/2020 13:18

To be frank SIL is working 3 days a week so four days off, she cannot be ignorant of the food going into the kids, four days a week she has control. I would be the one doing the shopping and prepping the menus. 3 days is not onerous I worked five day 9-3 and still managed to budget for food.

So she is either a flake or planning her escape.

RandomMess · 01/07/2020 13:21

Please tell your Dad the truth.

They need to speak to stepchange before they lose their house...

Flyingagainstreason · 01/07/2020 13:43

Well hopefully he will step up and be a better parent! But it sounds scarily like she’s been on mumsnet!!!

dottiedodah · 01/07/2020 13:48

Just seen your update .Good for you! I think he is an absolute bell end that has never grown up.Like others said ,your SIL must see that there are Dairylea Dunkers and the like .Also what about all these expensive games FFS?Unless she walks around with her eyes closed! Just feeling the rage as you have been seriously ill(hope you are feeling OK ATM) ,could do with a holiday, and worrying about poor old DF to boot!)WTAF is he playing at .Just tell him to contact his bank ,cut up his CC,shop at Aldi and get his ass sorted!He sounds like a lazy DF who wants to be seen as Santa for his DC all year round with no effort put in his side!

Spidey66 · 01/07/2020 13:59

OK I know he's on 20% less, bu taking into account no fares/petrol, lunches out, childcare costs (if his kids needs childcare), does it really make that much difference? Plus over lockdown there will have been less impulsive shopping, no swimming trips out or days out, trips to pubs, cafes etc.

I think he's pulling a fast one.

PotterHead1985 · 01/07/2020 14:06

The person who posted the quote from the other thread can i get a link. Couldn't find myself.

Also your brother is an arse op. Your poor dad

GiantKitten · 01/07/2020 14:07

@GinDrinker00

Nearly £400 on games for the kids? Wtf?! Confused I would of made him cancel his holiday there and then and paid you and your dad back.
Having made the decision to transfer the date, I think if he tried to cancel now he’d lose the lot Hmm
Spidey66 · 01/07/2020 14:12

Sorry I posted before reading the whole thread. Good on you for standing up to him. Lockdown has been difficult for everybody, we've all had to make sacrifices.

Hopefully he'll have learnt his lesson. He sounds incredibly selfish and not a particularly great parent.

Partychaos · 01/07/2020 14:22

Thank you.
I have told him that they need to talk to someone like step change about their debts which sound like they are massive over several different credit cards which are all maxed out, plus car finance, plus mortgage. They both seem as feckless as each other like they spent £6000 on getting the living room decorated and new furniture just before Christmas.

He tried to tell me that he’s had a hard life and no one ever told him how to deal with money- it’s not his fault. Nope we had the same childhood and yes it was shit but that doesn’t absolve you of being an adult and learning. My dad had several failed relationships after our mum died and was an alcoholic he lost our home and we both spent periods in care. Seeing that has always made me more careful with money then my friends are. I suggested they both speak to step change and get some advice on their debt but I doubt he will I think he’ll just keep burying his head in the sand.

I phoned my dad told him exactly what is going on, the obscene amount that is being spent on the kids games so he knows that It is not a case of the kids being left to starve. I’ve told him not to transfer any money over and to call me if he asks again, whether he will or not remains to be seen.

It was all just excuses after excuses “it’s hard homeschooling kids” no shit I’ve got a 5 year old and an 18 month old and I’m WFH I know it’s hard but am I hell going to spent over £300 on tech to keep them quiet.

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RandomMess · 01/07/2020 14:25

I would be demanding your money back, I would be beyond furious Angry

LemonBreeland · 01/07/2020 14:29

What a dick. All that money on gaming apps. Completely unnecessary.

There is also no reason he couldn't live on 80% of his wage. We were living pretty tight before lockdown. DH lost his job and managed to get some pt hours at a supermarket, earning around 30% of his previous wage and we have managed to stay in the black. We haven't had fuel costs, although we've had increased food shops we aren't paying for school lunches. Your DB and his wife too, are obviously really crap with money.

AIMD · 01/07/2020 14:31

Good work op. Sounds like some home truths he had to hear and nice now he knows that you will have boundaries.

That amount of in-app purchases is silly! Do you believe that’s what the money went on? I wonder if he’s spoken to the kids and explained that their lifestyle might need to change a little (eg not buying whatever they want online).

lakeswimmer · 01/07/2020 14:37

Well done OP for telling him straight. He's an irresponsible twat and a bad parent - he's setting his kids up for a similar life. Both he and SIL should be looking for extra work if they can't live within their means. I'm furloughed at 80% and on a damn sight less money than your brother and have been doing some cleaning work this week to help make up the shortfall.