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So angry at brother

173 replies

Partychaos · 30/06/2020 19:49

My brother was furloughed in March at 80% of his wage. SIL is working as normal (3 days a week) her work is hugely busy at the moment due to staff being off for childcare/self isolating/shielding and they are crying out for overtime. Brother is at home with 3 kids home schooling.

Brother messaged me in April to ask to borrow some money very apologetic didn’t budget well didn’t realize what a difference it would make to only get 80%. I said of course no problem I understand times are tough. Sent over £250.
May we were talking and he said both older kids needed new trainers and my niece had a growth spurt and he didn’t know what to do. I sorted through some of dd’s clothes and left a huge bin bag of summer clothes for them, I spoke to the kids and we chose the trainers together and I got them delivered to their house. A week later a message saying he didn’t know how he was going to afford the food shopping and he can’t believe how quickly they are going through food- yeah same mate. But I sent over £150.

June -again I’m so sorry to ask but can I borrow £300 I’ve got an unexpected bill I don’t know what to do. Don’t tell SIL I’ve asked. I asked why it was a secret because if I had a bill the person I would be telling is my spouse not my sibling. He said she would feel awkward about borrowing money but he doesn’t know what to do. I talked to dh and he agreed we could send £200 but £300 was too much of a stretch. Sent it over.

I’ve just spoken to my dad who is retired and surviving on state pension, he has nothing to his name and lives month to month. I often need to put extra electric and gas on for him or do a weeks shop. My brother has asked him for the other £100. I’m raging. My dad transferred everything from his account about £80 and has literally about £3 in his pocket. I asked why he said yes and he was upset thinking of his grandkids without food. I asked what he was going to do about food and he said oh I’ll manage It’ll be fine.
I’ve transferred £100 to my dad and have a food shop coming next week with my supermarket delivery.

I know times are tough but surely if your spouse is at home and you only work part time you would picking up all of the overtime possible (office job and social distancing in place so not high risk) Or you would apply for a mortgage holiday, or an overdraft, or a credit card. I don’t know their financial situation eg if they already have debt or what their credit scores are but surely you would look into things like food bank referrals before asking an elderly man for money.

Dh thinks I’m being unreasonable to be so angry that he asked my dad and that he had the ability to say no if he didn’t have it. I think he should have known that my dad would have given him his last for the kids who he adores and he knew that and kind of exploited it.
I’m having wine and I’m not talking to him tonight but I intend to confront him before I do am I being unreasonable to be so pissed off at him?

OP posts:
upanup · 30/06/2020 20:26

You are definitely not being unreasonable, i would be angry in your situation. Please speak to your brother before you tell sil anything. As you say it's already an unhappy marriage... if it was me I would not want to contribute to making it worse or even unsalvagable

wildcherries · 30/06/2020 20:26

Tyres and boilers are not surprise bills. They are general, predictable, car and household maintenance costs.

This. He is taking the piss. Your poor dad.

Flyingagainstreason · 30/06/2020 20:30

This has happened to me. Mother on state pension only and I found that she transferred £200 to my sibling Who is furloughed.
I mean WTAF.

MaryMashedThem · 30/06/2020 20:32

I presume that means he’s been capped at £2500 per month instead of £3100

Christ on a bike, that's just his wage?? And she works too? What in the world has he been spending all that money on that he doesn't have savings to dip into now?? Confused

Itisbetter · 30/06/2020 20:33

Only buy food and then only if they are actually hungry. Same for your Dad till he stops using that to get the money indirectly.

You are not the only one. The rage is consuming.

GinDrinker00 · 30/06/2020 20:35

Only buy them psychical things, do not send money. If he has a bill, he shows you evidence of that bill.
He might be struggling but the fact he wants it kept a secret from his partner doesn’t sit right with me and if they couldn’t afford food what mother wouldn’t pick up some extra shifts if she could?

StressedMom4 · 30/06/2020 20:35

@Partychaos you and your dad are the sweetest. Honestly it was really nice of you helping your brother out and giving away the bag of clothes on top of more money but then when he asked for the £300 I just wanted to shout at my phone 'nooooooo!'

And to take advantage of your dad- that is what he did, just isn't right. I hope you calmly but sternly rip into him! And get the answers as to why he needs so much money? why his wife isn't picking up extra over time? And why he left his dad without money and food?

I'd be tempted to question his wife over this as well.

Stannisbaratheonsboxofmatches · 30/06/2020 20:36

Definitely don’t give him any more money anyway!

purplecorkheart · 30/06/2020 20:40

Honestly, I would be wondering of your brother is gambling etc. It seems to be a huge amount of money to be borrowing even with the wage cut. The fact that he is hiding it from your sil is another huge flag.

AIMD · 30/06/2020 20:42

You’re not being unreasonable. My parents are similar in that they struggle for money but would give me everything they had if I asked. Of course I don’t and would never take their money.

Sounds like something more is going on....maybe they have lots of outgoings (car, loans etc) so despite his usual high wage the drop has wobbled them. I wouldn’t be sending any more money over personally because if he’s had that much and it hasn’t balanced them it’s clearly a bigger issue. Help by buying groceries etc maybe but no more money.

You don’t think he’s gambling or anything?

Immigrantsong · 30/06/2020 20:43

Stop enabling him.

gutentag1 · 30/06/2020 20:43

I wouldn't tell your SIL, but firmly say no next time and tell him not to ask your dad for the money either.

Coronakid · 30/06/2020 20:43

Definitely something fishy going on. Hope you get some answers.

Partychaos · 30/06/2020 20:44

Sil works part time for childcare for the youngest she is off 2 days a week, brother is off 1 day a week and I have her on my set day off so they only need to pay one day in nursery. The oldest 2 are normally in school full time.
Brother works 10 minutes from home and normally takes a packed lunch because of the location of work is industrial. So no massive savings there. But will have saved money on not paying for days out with the kids, swimming lessons, one day a week nursery, not getting things like hair cuts, sil getting her nails done etc. Everyone’s food bill has gone up but then surely you do what everyone else does and get creative with cheaper meals that’s certainly what we have been doing in this house.

I was off from December to February undergoing cancer treatment so was on sick pay which was a massive drop in my wages as a lot of it is bonuses. But I would never have thought to ask to borrow money from my brother. We made do. We ate beans on toast, we dipped into savings when we needed to for things like a new tyre. I know it’s not possible for everyone to have savings but they aren’t the breadline. The kids have all the latest gadgets- xboxes and VR headsets and switches and iPads and laptops. Which is why I think I’m really pissed off he went to my dad who lives in a tiny 1 bedroom flat with hand me down furniture. The cost of the VR headset alone would have paid his rent for 6 months.

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Rayna37 · 30/06/2020 20:45

Absolutely unreasonable of him to ask but I'd want to know much more about their finances before I leant anything.

The £2500 cap is before tax not after so the equivalent of £30k per year. However it's not straightforward. My staff have mostly come out with slightly over their basic wage as they've been furloughed on average wage, so 80% of basic and overtime. However I know others who have complicated wage structures such as cabin crew and truck drivers who have only got 80% of the basic part of their wage and so have seen a massive drop in take home despite not being affected by the cap.

Wishihadanalgorithm · 30/06/2020 20:49

Tell SIL, I expect she doesn’t know her DH has borrowed money from you. As for your DF, I think you need to get him to promise he will always tell you before he gives away his money.

Your brother is a leech. Hell would freeze over before he got another penny from me.

PhilipJennings · 30/06/2020 20:50

Gambling is the first thing I thought of too. He wouldn't be the first chap with too much time on his hands to fall into that trap.

RuggerHug · 30/06/2020 20:50

When you're talking to your brother don't let on you heard about your Dad lending him money. He might blame your Dad for dropping him in the shit(that he got himself in) by letting you know. Definitely talk to your SIL and the second it seems like he's back to work get a plan from him of how much he's paying you back every payday.

picklemewalnuts · 30/06/2020 20:52

You need to talk to your SiL.

You don't need to throw him under the bus, but discreetly asking how it's going, with B only on 80%, or talking about whether the holiday refund came in ok, whether it's evening out saving some here to make up for losing some there.

If she's very relaxed, oh no we're fine, then you may want to say BiL's been moaning. If she's 'we'll, it's a bit tight but we're ok' then that's a bit different.

RandomMess · 30/06/2020 20:57

I wonder if they live beyond their means and have debt they can't afford? If so they need to speak to step change and look at getting interest frozen and monthly payments affordable.

You would have thought they'd have taken a mortgage holiday before begging off family...

EyesOpening · 30/06/2020 20:58

I would be saying to him "when are you getting reimbursed for your holiday? As I really need that money back now" and probably in front of his wife

BluebellForest836 · 30/06/2020 21:03

I’d be sending a text to my brother asking what he’s playing at asking your dad.

Out of principle now I’d ask for the money back when he’s back to work and I’d go and treat your dad with it!

WhatWouldYouDoWhatWouldJesusDo · 30/06/2020 21:08

He's taking the fucking piss.

My dp is on furlough too and we've managed absolutely fine. In fact we've managed to save some money because we're wasting less.

Tell him to man up, learn how to budget and actually tell your sil he's been scamming people. Which is exactly what he's been doing.

istheresomethingishouldknow · 30/06/2020 21:09

I was off from December to February undergoing cancer treatment so was on sick pay which was a massive drop in my wages as a lot of it is bonuses. But I would never have thought to ask to borrow money from my brother. We made do. We ate beans on toast, we dipped into savings when we needed to for things like a new tyre. I know it’s not possible for everyone to have savings but they aren’t the breadline. The kids have all the latest gadgets- xboxes and VR headsets and switches and iPads and laptops. Which is why I think I’m really pissed off he went to my dad who lives in a tiny 1 bedroom flat with hand me down furniture. The cost of the VR headset alone would have paid his rent for 6 months

I would be beyond furious.

Tell him this. Specifically this. He should be ashamed of himself, frankly. Rather then belt tightening, he's taking the piss and literally food out of your elderly father's mouth. Wanker.

And tell your SIL. I bet she doesn't even know how much he 'owes' you at this point. Where is it all going?

AIMD · 30/06/2020 21:10

@Partychaos

Sil works part time for childcare for the youngest she is off 2 days a week, brother is off 1 day a week and I have her on my set day off so they only need to pay one day in nursery. The oldest 2 are normally in school full time. Brother works 10 minutes from home and normally takes a packed lunch because of the location of work is industrial. So no massive savings there. But will have saved money on not paying for days out with the kids, swimming lessons, one day a week nursery, not getting things like hair cuts, sil getting her nails done etc. Everyone’s food bill has gone up but then surely you do what everyone else does and get creative with cheaper meals that’s certainly what we have been doing in this house.

I was off from December to February undergoing cancer treatment so was on sick pay which was a massive drop in my wages as a lot of it is bonuses. But I would never have thought to ask to borrow money from my brother. We made do. We ate beans on toast, we dipped into savings when we needed to for things like a new tyre. I know it’s not possible for everyone to have savings but they aren’t the breadline. The kids have all the latest gadgets- xboxes and VR headsets and switches and iPads and laptops. Which is why I think I’m really pissed off he went to my dad who lives in a tiny 1 bedroom flat with hand me down furniture. The cost of the VR headset alone would have paid his rent for 6 months.

Just call him up and read that second paragraph to him.
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