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To feel sick with worry over DHs cash job and universal credit

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DHisaDick · 22/06/2020 23:07

Hopefully the name change has worked as not surprisingly I dont want this linked to any of my other posting... apologies it's going to be long.

Me and DH don't have the best relationship as it is, and when it concerns anything financial it is even worse. He managed to hide serious financial issues and a gambling problem for a long, long time, leaving us in debt we are still dealing with two years later, however he has been gamble free for 18 months.

Up until lockdown DH had a steady job and we were able to cover all household bills and start paying off the debt he had go us into, I am a mature student / stay at home mum to our young DD, plus I provide a lot of childcare for his SD, and do a lot of pick ups and drop offs so DH was able to maintain his full time job. We claim universal credit, dont get a huge amount but its paid into my account and it covers the few direct debits that come from my account (car insurance and credit card payments mainly), we then have a joint account that his wage was paid into so I had access to money when ever I needed it.

The area DH worked in was it hard by lockdown and in early April he was made redundant, he hadn't been there long enough to receive any significant amount of money for that. Because of the debt we are in, monthly repayments are quite high, plus DH pays above the minimum for child maintenance for his DD, the maximum we receive in universal credit when DH isn't working doesn't cover all our outgoings, not even close.

A family member offered to pay me a small amount to do a bit of cleaning for them (£30 a fortnight) to try to help us out a little bit. I fully appreciate this takes me over the amount I can earn before I register as self employed but things were looking very desperate.

Thankfully DH has managed to find work in a new field, very well paid but self employed. This means that although he is paid via bank transfer, it doesn't go through HMRC iyswim, and is basically cash in hand. DH has decided he has no intention what so ever of registering as self employed and has decided that we should continue claiming the maximum amount of universal credit, and just pretend he is still unemployed.

This is making me feel very uncomfortable, as I'll be receiving the maximum amount in UC every month which we arnt entitled to. His new job is very well paid and would mean our UC entitlement would drop significantly. I've explained my concerns to DH and he has decided as I'll be receiving so much UC, he is going to get his new wage transferred into his own personal bank account instead of the joint one, as I will have more than enough money (the bigger expenses we have are paid through the joint account, not my own) and he is just going to transfer enough across to the joint one to cover the rent etc.

Basically this leaves me in a shit position. If I tell UC he is working, quite rightly UC will drop (his new earnings mean it will be less than £100) and I'll have hardly any money and i need roughly £300 a month to cover my outgoings from my personal account. If I don't tell UC he is working, were claiming fraudulently.

I'm in no position to leave right now, though I am planning to before the end of the year, so LTB, whilst an appropriate response really isn't helpful. I cant work right now, DH uses our car for work, public transport where we are now is a bit hit and miss still. I cant afford childcare for DD and I doubt DH is about to cough up for it, I have family near by but they are in the shielding category and it feels a bit unfair to put this upon them.
There is no way I'll get any credit to be able to get money to get me out of this situation any time soon, family can't loan me anything.
The job i intend to go into, that I've been working so hard towards since before DHs gambling fuck up, depends on integrity and I'll never get a job if I'm caught basically committing fraud.

No idea what I expect anyone to say tbh, I'll be surprised if anyone is still reading at this point Sad

OP posts:
AnotherEmma · 25/06/2020 20:33

"If DWP get their information from HMRC then why are some people asked to declare all earnings each month in order to receive UC. Just wondering?"

Employees paid via PAYE don't have to report their earnings because employers report to HMRC when they do payroll, and that data gets shared with DWP.

However, self-employed people do have to report their earnings via their UC account, because HMRC doesn't have the info until they submit their tax return, which is only done yearly after the end of the tax year.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 25/06/2020 21:00

Also doesn’t UC vary depending on what you earn so if you have a variable income basing your claim on a snapshot which is not reviewed for 12 months can lead to under or overpayment. I thought they were trying to avoid the situation with tax credits where people suddenly got asked to repay £££

BonstanceBarroll · 25/06/2020 21:08

Hi, what a nightmare for you. Not sure if it has been mentioned but student maintenance loan has to be declared when claiming UC as they class it as income!! We lost a huge amount due to stupidly making an enquiry about eligibility for UC and lost all WTC including child and disability element! Not eligible for UC as my student maintenance loan is about £8500 a year so they include this in their calculations. Husband works ft on crap pay. Please check as I have heard of people who have had an awful shock when they discovered they had to repay the undeclared equivalent of the student maintenance loan. Good luck.

Takingontheworld · 25/06/2020 21:17

Bravo OP. Look at you go!!!

Wishing you a bright and happy future

gumball37 · 25/06/2020 21:29

@DHisaDick

And for anyone else reading this who's feels the are in a similarly shitty situation and everything feels impossible and you cant see a way out of a bad relationship.. just go for it. It did feel impossible a few days ago but I can see the light, one step at a time.
Absolutely lovely update!!! Wishing you the best!
Dontfuckingsaycheese · 25/06/2020 21:34

I get UC and my earnings vary month to month as I work term time only so it goes up and down. The UC payment for a month uses my previous month's earnings. Yes you might find you get more in your uni maintenance loan than you would for UC as a single person so you're better off Smile . When I claimed uni maintenance loan as a lone parent it knocked me off Income Support and housing benefit (as I was claiming then). The only time I would have needed to claim was for the summer holidays. Students couldn't claim housing benefit in the summer but lone parents were able to. I don't know if UC works the same.

Happynow001 · 25/06/2020 21:40

Very positive update OP. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you.

qwertyuiop098 · 26/06/2020 11:20

This is amazing well done OP!

DHisaDick · 11/07/2020 20:26

So a slightly disappointing update....

My feelings on the situation to ExDH are very clear now. We are living separately but unfortunately still under the same roof. The plus side is that this means I have a separate universal credit claim now.

Unfortunately, it has transpired that DH had been doing additional 'cash in hand' (paid into his own personal bank account) for around 6 or 8 months prior to being made redundant (his work was salaried and his hours irregular which helped him keep it hidden the additional money still amounts to around £200 a month though). Hes basically used this money to fund his gambling, which only came out as SD told me he had left her out side a gambling shop Angry. So I have unknowingly been committing benefit fraud for quite a few months. EX is still not declaring his income which is making it impossible to sort out any child maintenance, along with his insistence of splitting care of DD 50/50. I've been keeping a detailed diary of his involvement with her which will hopefully come in handy when making more formal arrangements in the future.
I'm not very much closer to moving out, though the university hardship fund did give me £350!!! Which I promptly withdrew and I have given to a close friend for safe keeping. I have advertised anything I dont need of Facebook market place, it's not much but its starting to add up I guess.
I'm also struggling to get a straight answer from anyone how exactly my maintenance loan will affect UC, the calculators dont work for students so this is making it really hard to start budgeting for the future.
I've been using Exs redundancy to my advantage too, I've managed to end two contracts that were in my name a few months early, explaining he was made redundant and we would struggle to pay them (this is sort of true), so I have managed to reduce my outgoings by almost £60 a month.
Unfortunately because of debt and other high outgoings that I cannot do much about at the moment, my maintenance loan alone still falls short of what I need coming in come September.
I've managed to arrange childcare for at least in the short term for Uni so I wont have those costs initially.
Uni tried to help with housing but there isnt anything suitable. The little flat I went to view would have been perfect had there not have been black burn marks around 2 of the plug sockets that the landlord had strategically placed kitchen appliances in front of Hmm. Womens aid did suggest my situation would qualify me for a place in a hostel but they are all full, plus as I dont feel my life is at risk I would be potentially taking away a space that some one with far greater need could have.
I suppose I'm still making progress, it just feels a bit slow again at the moment. Sorry if it's a bit garbled, hopefully just getting everything out of my head and onto paper will help a bit.

OP posts:
friskybivalves · 13/07/2020 08:39

Thank you so much for the update and I think you should feel very proud of yourself for the steps you have taken already. These are always the hardest but momentum is difficult to stop once underway - mental as well as physical! I hope that you get some clarity about the impact of your student loan from the UC people. Is there anyone at the university who could help - a student officer or finance dept?

RandomMess · 13/07/2020 23:12

You have made progress, ok so it is slower than you would like but at the time you claimed UC you genuinely didn't know about this other cash in hand work he had.

Keep in touch with the university, the local council, any time his behaviour gets threatening towards you please call the police. He may escalate to being violent towards you as you get closer to leaving.

KOKO Thanks

Northernsoulgirl45 · 13/07/2020 23:37

Good start. I wish you well.

RandomMess · 25/07/2020 09:23

How are you doing?

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