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To feel sick with worry over DHs cash job and universal credit

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DHisaDick · 22/06/2020 23:07

Hopefully the name change has worked as not surprisingly I dont want this linked to any of my other posting... apologies it's going to be long.

Me and DH don't have the best relationship as it is, and when it concerns anything financial it is even worse. He managed to hide serious financial issues and a gambling problem for a long, long time, leaving us in debt we are still dealing with two years later, however he has been gamble free for 18 months.

Up until lockdown DH had a steady job and we were able to cover all household bills and start paying off the debt he had go us into, I am a mature student / stay at home mum to our young DD, plus I provide a lot of childcare for his SD, and do a lot of pick ups and drop offs so DH was able to maintain his full time job. We claim universal credit, dont get a huge amount but its paid into my account and it covers the few direct debits that come from my account (car insurance and credit card payments mainly), we then have a joint account that his wage was paid into so I had access to money when ever I needed it.

The area DH worked in was it hard by lockdown and in early April he was made redundant, he hadn't been there long enough to receive any significant amount of money for that. Because of the debt we are in, monthly repayments are quite high, plus DH pays above the minimum for child maintenance for his DD, the maximum we receive in universal credit when DH isn't working doesn't cover all our outgoings, not even close.

A family member offered to pay me a small amount to do a bit of cleaning for them (£30 a fortnight) to try to help us out a little bit. I fully appreciate this takes me over the amount I can earn before I register as self employed but things were looking very desperate.

Thankfully DH has managed to find work in a new field, very well paid but self employed. This means that although he is paid via bank transfer, it doesn't go through HMRC iyswim, and is basically cash in hand. DH has decided he has no intention what so ever of registering as self employed and has decided that we should continue claiming the maximum amount of universal credit, and just pretend he is still unemployed.

This is making me feel very uncomfortable, as I'll be receiving the maximum amount in UC every month which we arnt entitled to. His new job is very well paid and would mean our UC entitlement would drop significantly. I've explained my concerns to DH and he has decided as I'll be receiving so much UC, he is going to get his new wage transferred into his own personal bank account instead of the joint one, as I will have more than enough money (the bigger expenses we have are paid through the joint account, not my own) and he is just going to transfer enough across to the joint one to cover the rent etc.

Basically this leaves me in a shit position. If I tell UC he is working, quite rightly UC will drop (his new earnings mean it will be less than £100) and I'll have hardly any money and i need roughly £300 a month to cover my outgoings from my personal account. If I don't tell UC he is working, were claiming fraudulently.

I'm in no position to leave right now, though I am planning to before the end of the year, so LTB, whilst an appropriate response really isn't helpful. I cant work right now, DH uses our car for work, public transport where we are now is a bit hit and miss still. I cant afford childcare for DD and I doubt DH is about to cough up for it, I have family near by but they are in the shielding category and it feels a bit unfair to put this upon them.
There is no way I'll get any credit to be able to get money to get me out of this situation any time soon, family can't loan me anything.
The job i intend to go into, that I've been working so hard towards since before DHs gambling fuck up, depends on integrity and I'll never get a job if I'm caught basically committing fraud.

No idea what I expect anyone to say tbh, I'll be surprised if anyone is still reading at this point Sad

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DHisaDick · 23/06/2020 07:47

No, universal credit alone at the max amount doesn't cover all outgoings. His earnings alone would though.
The credit card debt is from paying rent arrears I found he had got us in because of gambling. We were on the verge of being evicted and I was 7 months pregnant, it was also used to pay off payday loans he had taken out.

My other dilemma claiming as a single person and living with him is that the tenancy is in his name only, but he'll still expect a contribution to rent. But I wont be able to claim the housing element without evidence that I pay toward rent, and he wont provide me with that because hes not allowed to sub let (given that hes ok with fraud I'm not sure why he has such a big issue with providing me with some thing written to confirm I give him half, but hey that mans a cock)

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heartsonacake · 23/06/2020 07:48

I know it’s not pleasant, but you are going to have to inform UC. There’s no other option.

If you don’t, when it’s found out—and it will be found out—you will have to pay it all back, thousands upon thousands, and you will most likely to be sent to prison.

Think of your daughter. You need to be there to look after her, not leaving her with social services when you both get carted off to jail for benefit fraud.

Dinocan · 23/06/2020 07:54

No practical advice but how can he be so stupid? He might get away with it if he was actually being paid cash but by BACS? I also really want to know what sort of job it is. It doesn’t sound like he’s self employed at all if he’s receiving all those wages from one company and he’s working for them full time. Dodgy as hell. I’d go down the route of threatening to report them first They are presumably avoid paying NI and pension scheme for him when he’s clearly a full time employee.

OutOfHours · 23/06/2020 07:58

Hes planning on gambling again, Ill bet. My hat on it.

lemmathelemmin · 23/06/2020 08:00

Meanwhile massive corporations are stashing money away in tax havens.

Theres something seriously wrong with the tax system over here.

DHisaDick · 23/06/2020 08:00

Dinocan no I dont think he should really be employed as self employed, he works for one company full time, with the option of over time. He wears a uniform, they dictate start time, though he can finish once the work is done. He has a company vehicle. Still doesn't change that hes receiving undeclared income though

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lemmathelemmin · 23/06/2020 08:01

Just separate and make a single claim whilst looking for your own place to live. That way it's legal.

lemmathelemmin · 23/06/2020 08:02

Don't report him. What proof is there that you knew? Just by living under the same roof?

OutOfHours · 23/06/2020 08:03

Dinocan no I dont think he should really be employed as self employed, he works for one company full time, with the option of over time. He wears a uniform, they dictate start time, though he can finish once the work is done. He has a company vehicle. Still doesn't change that hes receiving undeclared income though

That is not self employed in the slightest, the company could get in bit trouble for this, is he telling you the truth?

DHisaDick · 23/06/2020 08:06

But if I dont report him I'm still claiming fraudulently. On paper I guess theres no evidence I know, no texts etc, the money will never come my way but obvs I know hes leaving the house on a regular basis

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RightIsRight · 23/06/2020 08:06

It’s benefit fraud and technically, you’re committing it as well. Don’t know why some posters are conveniently ignoring that

Takingontheworld · 23/06/2020 08:10

OP. When you get caught, you'll simply have no excuse. They won't care he is abusive, they won't care about the backstory. It'll be black and white fraud. All that debt you're in now will mount even higher having to repay hundreds pm back that was fraudulently claimed. And all your studying will have been for nothing.

We recently interviewed a really nice lady, all set to job offer when DBS came back with fraud. She said her exbf had opened an Ebay account or something in her name many years ago... i don't recall the particulars, but the point was even if her story was legit, we had no choice. It was a no. It was difficult because she could have been great but risk was too high.

lemmathelemmin · 23/06/2020 08:11

Then separate now and make a single claim. You can still live with him whilst making a single claim but separated.

I dont think asking strangers on the internet was the best thing. It will just cause you more stress. Contact a professional/expert in this area.

Tlollj · 23/06/2020 08:12

He’s not really working cash in hand though is he?
This money he is receiving will be traceable. Whoever is paying him must be declaring it somehow.
He will be caught, might take a while but he will be.

RandomMess · 23/06/2020 08:12

He can't force you to hand over money if you claim as a single parent, bet he won't hand over CMS until forced to.

Ok so be kicks you and the DC out, then you have been made homeless and the council will help. TBH it may be better to go to a refuge in the first place as they will help you and protect you.

If he is set on ruining your career you need to bite the bullet and get on with it and fast.

lemmathelemmin · 23/06/2020 08:13

her exbf had opened an Ebay account or something in her name many years ago

Sad how this could happen to anyone.

Wheresy0urheadat · 23/06/2020 08:15

£2,500 = 30K per year
If his employer is not deducting tax & NI, then he should be as a self employed person
He also needs 35 years NI contributions to be able to claim a full state pension

You can both check your individual NI & state pension on www.gov.uk

It sounds to be, like he is "gambling that he won't get caught" !
He thinks that he is "clever"

He is also earning lots of money, while you struggle with high credit card debt. He is keeping the money for himself

You are both in a sticky situation

I believe HMRC can recover unpaid taxes going back 25 years !

We would all like to not pay tax, but we pay it for the " good of everyone"

Frouby · 23/06/2020 08:20

Op you are in a shit position.

I've seen this before where women are pressured to commit benefit fraud to facilitate a man not paying the bills.

What you need to do is change your UC claim. You are leaving him anyway. A few months him having a tantrum won't be life changing but having a fraud conviction will be.

With regards to your outgoings you need to switch the dds to the joint account.

Have you applied for housing in your own name? The only other way round this is to seperate now and try and make a separate UC claim. I know it was possible to do this on tax credits but not sure if it's possible on UC.

Either way you can't carry on as you are doing. You will get caught and will get a conviction.

TheABC · 23/06/2020 08:22

What a shit he is. He makes the mess, leaving you to clear it up!

OP, you need to separate and get away asap. He is desperate to keep you as a cash cow/childcare accessory (because who else will cover the household bills and caring if you are not there?).

September is not far away. Starting with women's aid, ask for help today. Talk to your university and council. Talk to a solicitor about divorce. It's time.

SadSisters · 23/06/2020 08:24

You need to stay on the right side of the law here OP or he will drag you down with him when he gets caught for benefits fraud. You won’t be able to defend yourself by saying it was his idea or he put you in a difficult position. Even if it costs you money now, it will be better for you than the horrendous consequences of being prosecuted for benefits fraud.

WeirdAndPissedOff · 23/06/2020 08:26

Re the payday loans - he really is a cunt, isn't he? I think unfortunately you don't have a leg to stand on there legally, but has he even tried to justify why he's not paying you back for those?

I'd be really concerned, OP, about how much damage he can do between now and September. You already know the consequences of the fraudulent UC claim, but if he's keeping all of his earnings I'd also be worried about gambling. If that's the case, you need to make sure there's no way he can run up any more debt in your name, or joint names, and don't pay off any debts he does incur. If you're not already with a credit agency, it's definitely worth signing up with one and keeping a close eye on your monthly credit report - even after you've left. It may sound paranoid, but it's not uncommon for gamblers to take out secret loans and credit cards in their partner's name.

If you did leave, there's potentially maintenance to take into account as well? I know that if he's self employed eith undeclared earnings it will be like getting blood out of a stone, but the paper trail you've been keeping could help?

WorriedMutha · 23/06/2020 08:28

You are clearly studying to get on and make a better life for yourself and DD. There's no compromise with this situation. Get away and get away now. This fraudster isn't that bright and he's dragging you down with him. Your cleaning earnings are well below the HMRC self employment exemption so not an issue. Please go to WA and possibly get some debt counselling so you can get a repayment plan for your outstanding debts as the interest can be suspended. It may seem overwhelming at the moment but you have to head for the exit now.

PrincessConsuelaVaginaHammock · 23/06/2020 08:28

Blimey he must be thick if he thinks he's being paid cash in hand. What would happen if you told him you were going to shop him to HMRC if he didn't share his earnings?

Flyingagainstreason · 23/06/2020 08:28

I can’t believe the idiot thinks that if someone gives him a monthly bank transfer he can keep it quiet from HMRC.

You know they notice changes in work status and contact you?

You know he has to write invoices each month for the job? No business will pay someone without an invoice. When they are audited which if they’re part of a larger franchise it’s highly likely they are yearly, then all this will flag up.

I mean, does he really think it’s that easy to get away with paying nothing?

Who’s paying his NI contributions so he gets a pension.

You really have ended up with a bit of a dunce. And I would leave ASAP.

CiderJolly · 23/06/2020 08:29

Split up with him- inform UC that you’re separated but temporarily living in the same accommodation while you look for somewhere else. You can make a single claim this way- at some point you will be interviewed to make sure it’s a genuine separation and it will go to a Decision Maker. I know because I work for DWP and have done the interviews.
Get evidence of you seeking alternative accommodation- whether that’s registering with local agencies, council for housing etc. Keep a record of the date you split up- again, keep written evidence (they won’t ask for this but for peace of mind). They will want to know how you’re living in the house- so separate bedrooms, don’t shop together, don’t eat together, don’t act like a couple and make sure you tell friends and family that you have split up.

Find somewhere else to live and move on with your life. He sounds like a nob.

Get evidence of his wage for Child Maintenance Service.

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