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To feel sick with worry over DHs cash job and universal credit

188 replies

DHisaDick · 22/06/2020 23:07

Hopefully the name change has worked as not surprisingly I dont want this linked to any of my other posting... apologies it's going to be long.

Me and DH don't have the best relationship as it is, and when it concerns anything financial it is even worse. He managed to hide serious financial issues and a gambling problem for a long, long time, leaving us in debt we are still dealing with two years later, however he has been gamble free for 18 months.

Up until lockdown DH had a steady job and we were able to cover all household bills and start paying off the debt he had go us into, I am a mature student / stay at home mum to our young DD, plus I provide a lot of childcare for his SD, and do a lot of pick ups and drop offs so DH was able to maintain his full time job. We claim universal credit, dont get a huge amount but its paid into my account and it covers the few direct debits that come from my account (car insurance and credit card payments mainly), we then have a joint account that his wage was paid into so I had access to money when ever I needed it.

The area DH worked in was it hard by lockdown and in early April he was made redundant, he hadn't been there long enough to receive any significant amount of money for that. Because of the debt we are in, monthly repayments are quite high, plus DH pays above the minimum for child maintenance for his DD, the maximum we receive in universal credit when DH isn't working doesn't cover all our outgoings, not even close.

A family member offered to pay me a small amount to do a bit of cleaning for them (£30 a fortnight) to try to help us out a little bit. I fully appreciate this takes me over the amount I can earn before I register as self employed but things were looking very desperate.

Thankfully DH has managed to find work in a new field, very well paid but self employed. This means that although he is paid via bank transfer, it doesn't go through HMRC iyswim, and is basically cash in hand. DH has decided he has no intention what so ever of registering as self employed and has decided that we should continue claiming the maximum amount of universal credit, and just pretend he is still unemployed.

This is making me feel very uncomfortable, as I'll be receiving the maximum amount in UC every month which we arnt entitled to. His new job is very well paid and would mean our UC entitlement would drop significantly. I've explained my concerns to DH and he has decided as I'll be receiving so much UC, he is going to get his new wage transferred into his own personal bank account instead of the joint one, as I will have more than enough money (the bigger expenses we have are paid through the joint account, not my own) and he is just going to transfer enough across to the joint one to cover the rent etc.

Basically this leaves me in a shit position. If I tell UC he is working, quite rightly UC will drop (his new earnings mean it will be less than £100) and I'll have hardly any money and i need roughly £300 a month to cover my outgoings from my personal account. If I don't tell UC he is working, were claiming fraudulently.

I'm in no position to leave right now, though I am planning to before the end of the year, so LTB, whilst an appropriate response really isn't helpful. I cant work right now, DH uses our car for work, public transport where we are now is a bit hit and miss still. I cant afford childcare for DD and I doubt DH is about to cough up for it, I have family near by but they are in the shielding category and it feels a bit unfair to put this upon them.
There is no way I'll get any credit to be able to get money to get me out of this situation any time soon, family can't loan me anything.
The job i intend to go into, that I've been working so hard towards since before DHs gambling fuck up, depends on integrity and I'll never get a job if I'm caught basically committing fraud.

No idea what I expect anyone to say tbh, I'll be surprised if anyone is still reading at this point Sad

OP posts:
Waitingforboristoletusfree · 23/06/2020 09:06

You need to leave him. Whether your you stay together or not. Get him off the claim and rent your own house! I personally would NOT connect myself with something committing fraud like that knowingly. Think of your child

ilovemydogandMrObama · 23/06/2020 09:06

@CiderJolly

Split up with him- inform UC that you’re separated but temporarily living in the same accommodation while you look for somewhere else. You can make a single claim this way- at some point you will be interviewed to make sure it’s a genuine separation and it will go to a Decision Maker. I know because I work for DWP and have done the interviews. Get evidence of you seeking alternative accommodation- whether that’s registering with local agencies, council for housing etc. Keep a record of the date you split up- again, keep written evidence (they won’t ask for this but for peace of mind). They will want to know how you’re living in the house- so separate bedrooms, don’t shop together, don’t eat together, don’t act like a couple and make sure you tell friends and family that you have split up.

Find somewhere else to live and move on with your life. He sounds like a nob.

Get evidence of his wage for Child Maintenance Service.

Totally agree.

Would add the obvious advice of keeping evidence.

WinstonWolf · 23/06/2020 09:07

Shielding ends 1st August, would you be able to move in with your family for at least a month at that point whilst you get yourself back on your feet?

Wewearpinkonwednesdays · 23/06/2020 09:09

I would leave him, claim universal credit yourself and let him keep his money.

IdblowJonSnow · 23/06/2020 09:10

You absolutely cant risk being linked to him OP and jeopardise everything you've worked so hard for. I'd say you need to kick him out, get maintenance from him and claim the max you can.
Or just tell him no, you're absolutely not prepared to claim anymore and he must start paying tax. He sounds awful, what a loser. Sorry you're going through this, sounds very stressful.

recklessruby · 23/06/2020 09:18

OP you know this cant go on. You must be a nervous wreck living with a cloud like that over you.
My friend gets UC (doesn't work) and has to submit any change of circs. They call her every month to go over what she's doing etc and has it changed. I dont know if its the same when you have children.
Tell UC today and start a separate claim as a single parent and get out of there asap.
I dont know what career you want to go into but I work in education and even our cleaners have to have a clean DBS.
Fraud would mean no job offer.
Please think of yourself and dd here as DH will happily throw it all on you and try to wriggle out of it by the sounds of him.

sashh · 23/06/2020 09:20

Go to your uni, they will be able to sign post you to help, they may also offer childcare and possibly accommodation.

You will certainly be able to apply for childcare costs next academic year.

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 23/06/2020 09:22

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RandomMess · 23/06/2020 09:23

Actually the uni will likely have lots of empty accommodation as everyone left due to Covid - I should imagine there will be family accommodation free.

PlanDeRaccordement · 23/06/2020 09:24

Step 1: update the direct debits to go from the joint account, not your personal account.
Step 2: update UC on DHs job

Easy.

stairgates · 23/06/2020 09:27

He is finished and the sooner the better for you. As others have said, you are not on the rent so dont try and pay it, message family to see who may have a room or even caravan on their drive you can stay in. He is getting his gambling fix by doing this, the thrill, the money, the winning. He is going to drag you and your little one down with him again :(

raspberryk · 23/06/2020 09:30

Please leave, abuse is involved so the council will help you especially as you're not named in the tenancy.
You can do this by yourself, you'll get full loans and grants plus keep a small amount of UC, you'll have free council tax. You can keep your 30 quid cleaning a fortnight, if you declare it it's under the tax threshold and also won't make much difference to your UC as there's a decent allowance for earned income.
It's just not worth living in fear of benefit fraud and tax fraud just to cover a few hundred pounds of outgoings. You'd never be able to claim anything ever again in the future and you'd then be 100% stuck with your H.

lemmathelemmin · 23/06/2020 09:32

How is it fair that someone can get you in the the position of you committing fraud just by using your name, yet you're the one who gets in to shit for it? How can the legal system justify that?

Domino45 · 23/06/2020 09:33

OP don’t do it, you will get caught eventually. You’re trying to build a better future for yourself and DD. So when you can’t get a job because of fraud or lose one you’ll still be lumbered with all the student debt.
Also with loads of cash going into his bank account there’s a risk he will start gambling again. If he’s going to put you in this position why not report him it seems you’ll be losing either way.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 23/06/2020 09:36

Check with your university if they have accommodation. Some Universities have student parent flats.

Knittedfairies · 23/06/2020 09:37

Your husband is still gambling, he hasn't stopped. He's gambling that he/you won't get caught; he's gambling with your future career prospects too. You need professional advice.

DHisaDick · 23/06/2020 09:39

So I've already made the first phone call to her the ball rolling...

I need to keep any direct debits for anything in my name only leaving my account. To claim universal credit as a single person we have to have separate finances as well.

I'm reluctant to tell uni, the area I'm studying would not surprisingly take a very dim view of this.

I'm fairly certain the work shouldn't be classed as self employed work so I may go down the route of reporting the company in the hope they pay him legitimately

OP posts:
GertrudeCB · 23/06/2020 09:39

He really is a cunt isn't he Angry
So glad you are going to contact Womans Aid
Flowers

stairgates · 23/06/2020 09:41

Well done, this may be a long dragged out situation but you have to do it, your DH really is a dick x

slipperywhensparticus · 23/06/2020 09:41

Just tell uni you have split up no need to go into details just yet

converseandjeans · 23/06/2020 09:42

The credit card debt is from paying rent arrears I found he had got us in because of gambling. We were on the verge of being evicted and I was 7 months pregnant, it was also used to pay off payday loans he had taken out.

So basically he got you into rent arrears through gambling and now you're paying it off with your UC payments?

Pretty sure it's up to him to pay this.

UC should cover rent etc so if you handed his debt back to him then he would have to take responsibility. How much are you getting per month? It sounds like with his salary you're getting more than we do & our mortgage alone is £1000. So really you should have enough.

Contact uni - they might have accommodation, hardship fund, help with childcare.

You know you need to get away from him but it's hard to do. He's just dragging you down. You could be investigated.

RandomMess · 23/06/2020 09:42

You are being abused that is not your fault!! The team that deal with welfare issues are separate to academic staff!

Reluctantbettlynch · 23/06/2020 09:42

Best option leave him and switch to single claim. Go to women's aid and get help. Don't wait for the right time.
Failing that tell UC he's working and don't tell him it was you. When he gets caught by HMRC he will have to pay fines, tax and ni but that is not your problem. Don't service any of his debts yourself.

sst1234 · 23/06/2020 09:43

This is not even cash in hand, he’s getting bank transfers. He’s naive if he thinks that that he won’t be found out eventually. OP this won’t end well. Do not expose yourself to this.

RandomMess · 23/06/2020 09:43

The uni has hardship loans as well as grants - please speak to them!!