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To feel sick with worry over DHs cash job and universal credit

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DHisaDick · 22/06/2020 23:07

Hopefully the name change has worked as not surprisingly I dont want this linked to any of my other posting... apologies it's going to be long.

Me and DH don't have the best relationship as it is, and when it concerns anything financial it is even worse. He managed to hide serious financial issues and a gambling problem for a long, long time, leaving us in debt we are still dealing with two years later, however he has been gamble free for 18 months.

Up until lockdown DH had a steady job and we were able to cover all household bills and start paying off the debt he had go us into, I am a mature student / stay at home mum to our young DD, plus I provide a lot of childcare for his SD, and do a lot of pick ups and drop offs so DH was able to maintain his full time job. We claim universal credit, dont get a huge amount but its paid into my account and it covers the few direct debits that come from my account (car insurance and credit card payments mainly), we then have a joint account that his wage was paid into so I had access to money when ever I needed it.

The area DH worked in was it hard by lockdown and in early April he was made redundant, he hadn't been there long enough to receive any significant amount of money for that. Because of the debt we are in, monthly repayments are quite high, plus DH pays above the minimum for child maintenance for his DD, the maximum we receive in universal credit when DH isn't working doesn't cover all our outgoings, not even close.

A family member offered to pay me a small amount to do a bit of cleaning for them (£30 a fortnight) to try to help us out a little bit. I fully appreciate this takes me over the amount I can earn before I register as self employed but things were looking very desperate.

Thankfully DH has managed to find work in a new field, very well paid but self employed. This means that although he is paid via bank transfer, it doesn't go through HMRC iyswim, and is basically cash in hand. DH has decided he has no intention what so ever of registering as self employed and has decided that we should continue claiming the maximum amount of universal credit, and just pretend he is still unemployed.

This is making me feel very uncomfortable, as I'll be receiving the maximum amount in UC every month which we arnt entitled to. His new job is very well paid and would mean our UC entitlement would drop significantly. I've explained my concerns to DH and he has decided as I'll be receiving so much UC, he is going to get his new wage transferred into his own personal bank account instead of the joint one, as I will have more than enough money (the bigger expenses we have are paid through the joint account, not my own) and he is just going to transfer enough across to the joint one to cover the rent etc.

Basically this leaves me in a shit position. If I tell UC he is working, quite rightly UC will drop (his new earnings mean it will be less than £100) and I'll have hardly any money and i need roughly £300 a month to cover my outgoings from my personal account. If I don't tell UC he is working, were claiming fraudulently.

I'm in no position to leave right now, though I am planning to before the end of the year, so LTB, whilst an appropriate response really isn't helpful. I cant work right now, DH uses our car for work, public transport where we are now is a bit hit and miss still. I cant afford childcare for DD and I doubt DH is about to cough up for it, I have family near by but they are in the shielding category and it feels a bit unfair to put this upon them.
There is no way I'll get any credit to be able to get money to get me out of this situation any time soon, family can't loan me anything.
The job i intend to go into, that I've been working so hard towards since before DHs gambling fuck up, depends on integrity and I'll never get a job if I'm caught basically committing fraud.

No idea what I expect anyone to say tbh, I'll be surprised if anyone is still reading at this point Sad

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converseandjeans · 23/06/2020 00:09

How much UC do you get? It might have to be paid back.

Honestly you're likely to be better off without him - you would get UC plus help with nursery fees while studying. Your UC and child benefit would be above board and legal.

I don't think I could relax - if for example you get £1200/month then it's a lot to pay back.

converseandjeans · 23/06/2020 00:10

I also think if you're single & claiming UC you can work 16 hrs:week - so you could do some PT work.

DHisaDick · 23/06/2020 00:12

I didnt realise I could transfer the DD over to the joint account... I'll look into that tomorrow.

Car is mine, and mine only. I can evidence it was paid for solely by me and by legit means. There is no finance thankfully, it is mine outright. I had a claim on my insurance (a completely freak event out of my control resulted in the car being written off), having DH as a named driver reduced the premium by over £1000 and I definitely cant afford to pay the extra. I could do with out the car at a push but its resale value is minimal and it honestly makes a vast difference to daily life being able to drive ( I have anxiety that I am medicated for, I really struggle with public transport with DD in a pram, but maybe this will improve as she gets older).

No family I can move in with. We briefly separated before and he made life unbearable living with him. He wasnt aggressive, violent or even angry. Just horrible and belittling. The other issue is, if I cancel the joint claim, it is me who has to start a new one and that could take weeks to come through? I have more chance of winning the lottery (that I dont even play) that if DH canceling the joint claim so I can continue to receive UC with out an awkward break.

I cant even sleep wit this on my mind.

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DHisaDick · 23/06/2020 00:24

The cleaning was £30 a fortnight, it been going on for 8 weeks, so no where near the £1000 threshold.

I have a vague plan for September. I already have a student account with a £1000 approved interest free over draft. DH doesn't know about this and I've used it to pay off some of a credit card, but I still make the payments as if there was an extra £1000 on it to try clear it quicker if that makes sense. I can extend th ever draft by 500 in September and use it to lower my credit card further. I'm hoping I can apply for a student credit card, these are low interest to help clear the high interest debt.

I have about £8k I still owe, and I'm paying about 28% interest on this. I also have an £1k over draft on my current account, my student loan in September will clear my over draft so I dont have to pay for it for a while until I need to dip into it. I hope the remaining of my overdraft will enable me to move out. My university has a hardship fund, I'm praying they will take pity on me.

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lavenderlove · 23/06/2020 00:34

I'm not sure how it works or if this is possible but could you call UC and change it to a single person claim so his wages aren't counted (as you're planning to leave anyway)? Explain that because of the current situation you are still having to live with your DH but have split up. Then leave in September or as soon as you can.

lavenderlove · 23/06/2020 00:40

Also make sure you are getting parents learning allowance as well as the maximum living and accommodation student loans. Also ask student finance and your university about any other grants you can apply for. I borrowed off a my university's hardship fund when I was younger it was pretty simple to get and I got approved both times I asked for it. Mine was around £500 each time

Twofurrycatsagain · 23/06/2020 00:42

Not your main problem by any means but with regard to the car insurance you could have another person named on the policy to keep the premium down. I was named on my mother's, I have my ex on mine (we are still friends!) and a friend has her sister.

Couchbettato · 23/06/2020 00:44

As others have said, you need to distance yourself from this fraudster.

In terms of debt, have you talked to a debt advice service like stepchange?

They have different ways of helping you manage your debt. I would not advise doing a joint debt management plan with your husband, but I would get all your credit card debt, all of your necessity earnings and then give them a call. The more of your money you spend on bills and essentials like appointments and stuff the less you pay to each creditor based on your income.

Worth it for your credit cards, and will help you break free from this relationship.

lavenderlove · 23/06/2020 00:46

Also one more thing is have a look at credit unions and their loans as I got a loan to consolidate some credit card debt a while ago and it was pretty low interest

DHisaDick · 23/06/2020 00:57

I have discussed with debt charities and implemented any changes they suggested. ultimately there is little else I can do other that persevere and eventually it will be paid off. My credit score is abysmal and I cant get any lower interest credit other than student accounts which I take full advantage of.

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TiggerOfThigh · 23/06/2020 00:58

Have you applied to your local council? Some are bad but my local one are great. I’d really recommend it!!

Nihiloxica · 23/06/2020 01:09

How much UC do you get? It might have to be paid back.

This is benefit fraud. They don't just ask you to pay it back and leave it there.

There is a good chance you would both be prosecuted for fraud on your joint claim.

You need to tell UC about his earnings. If you are afraid to do so, contact Women's Aid.

This man is very stupid and reckless.

blubellsarebells · 23/06/2020 01:17

So he wants to keep a full time wage whilst you and his child live off state support.
Hes a bastard.
And what is he planning to spend all his money on?
You need to leave as soon as you can.
If you are having to rely on benefits to live you might as well do it without him around you will be better off as a single parent.
Find a small cheap place even a one bed as a stop gap universal credit will help towards it plus childcare costs.
Hes a piece of shit you deserve so much better.

strugglingwithdeciding · 23/06/2020 01:25

Can you even het any universal credit of one of you earns £2500 a month and one child ??
My dh earns less and we have 2 kids when i lost my job due to covid i was told we earnt too much for any help ?!

strugglingwithdeciding · 23/06/2020 01:29

If you make a joint claim then you will be just aa liable as him when you het caught out , which you likely will aa his money is being paid direct into his account by bank transfer

Pixxie7 · 23/06/2020 01:31

You have to tell the DWP, it is fraud and they will find out anyway. Doesn’t he think the tax payers will have enough to pay as it is?

Soon2BeMumof3 · 23/06/2020 01:33

This is financial abuse. What an absolute pig of a man he is.

No advice OP, just so sorry he has put you in this position.

ArriettyJones · 23/06/2020 01:40

You can apply for divorce online (and apply for reduced/waived fee on the basis of the UC claim), then inform UC that you’ve applied for divorce and give them the reference number. They will separate your joint claim into two sole name claims. Addresses and living arrangements won’t matter.

bd67thSaysReinstateLangCleg · 23/06/2020 01:53

Your husband wants you to commit benefit fraud for him. This strikes me as "unreasonable behaviour". www.gov.uk/divorce/file-for-divorce and www.gov.uk/get-help-with-court-fees might be helpful here.

expat101 · 23/06/2020 01:55

I agree with earlier posters, you need external help to manage this and apart from recommending a budgeting support service (some also have food banks attached to them where I live) I would suggest if they do not have a social worker, then womens aid etc.

The quicker you ask an independent source for help, the more likely if you are caught, that any penalty might be waived because you have attempted to do the right thing to sort this mess out.

Unfortunately, I can see your OH's point with all this extra money coming in, why tell anyone, but that doesn't make it right either and it's not winnings. It's not meant to cushion his butt so he can do what he likes with what he earns.

My cousin's daughter went through exactly the same thing with her children's father, and his ''old'' habits were still ongoing. it was just easier for him to hide it when initially she didn't have any access to ''his'' funds to pay for groceries and the like because he considered the money she was receiving in social security should be supporting his kids... not him.

Phoenix21 · 23/06/2020 02:06

would it be possible for him to take out a loan or credit card to transfer some of the debt back to him?

converseandjeans · 23/06/2020 07:39

I agree it's financial abuse as he's giving you no access to funds which are needed to run the household.
He's expecting the taxpayers to pay instead of paying himself.
Are you getting enough in UC to pay rent & bills?
Why is there so much credit card debt? Is it his gambling debt?

DHisaDick · 23/06/2020 07:43

Theres no way he'll take out a loan, if he could even get one.
I am going to contact womans aid today. I've been keeping a diary of his work and keeping hold of any receipts relating to it so hopefully itll make it a bit more straight forward when I do tell universal credit, that's assuming hes told me the correct amount hes earning though I guess.
The whole thing is a nightmare, he hid all the problems so well, it wasnt until after I married him I found out. If I had known I'd have never married him Sad

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Nottherealslimshady · 23/06/2020 07:45

They take it very seriously. And if he's getting paid into his bank it's very easy to catch. People do prison time for this, they dont just stop paying you the extra money when they find out. It's a criminal offence, you'll have to pay all that money back plus some and either or both could end up in prison. Not worth the risk. Speak to money advisers about the debt, reduce child support in line with wages.

Kazzyhoward · 23/06/2020 07:46

You'd be committing benefit fraud.

He'd be committing tax fraud.

People go to jail for that kind of thing when figures are big and it's deliberate.

You NEED to be honest with your UC claim - you'll be the one punished for UC fraud when they find out if you havn't told them.

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