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To feel sick with worry over DHs cash job and universal credit

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DHisaDick · 22/06/2020 23:07

Hopefully the name change has worked as not surprisingly I dont want this linked to any of my other posting... apologies it's going to be long.

Me and DH don't have the best relationship as it is, and when it concerns anything financial it is even worse. He managed to hide serious financial issues and a gambling problem for a long, long time, leaving us in debt we are still dealing with two years later, however he has been gamble free for 18 months.

Up until lockdown DH had a steady job and we were able to cover all household bills and start paying off the debt he had go us into, I am a mature student / stay at home mum to our young DD, plus I provide a lot of childcare for his SD, and do a lot of pick ups and drop offs so DH was able to maintain his full time job. We claim universal credit, dont get a huge amount but its paid into my account and it covers the few direct debits that come from my account (car insurance and credit card payments mainly), we then have a joint account that his wage was paid into so I had access to money when ever I needed it.

The area DH worked in was it hard by lockdown and in early April he was made redundant, he hadn't been there long enough to receive any significant amount of money for that. Because of the debt we are in, monthly repayments are quite high, plus DH pays above the minimum for child maintenance for his DD, the maximum we receive in universal credit when DH isn't working doesn't cover all our outgoings, not even close.

A family member offered to pay me a small amount to do a bit of cleaning for them (£30 a fortnight) to try to help us out a little bit. I fully appreciate this takes me over the amount I can earn before I register as self employed but things were looking very desperate.

Thankfully DH has managed to find work in a new field, very well paid but self employed. This means that although he is paid via bank transfer, it doesn't go through HMRC iyswim, and is basically cash in hand. DH has decided he has no intention what so ever of registering as self employed and has decided that we should continue claiming the maximum amount of universal credit, and just pretend he is still unemployed.

This is making me feel very uncomfortable, as I'll be receiving the maximum amount in UC every month which we arnt entitled to. His new job is very well paid and would mean our UC entitlement would drop significantly. I've explained my concerns to DH and he has decided as I'll be receiving so much UC, he is going to get his new wage transferred into his own personal bank account instead of the joint one, as I will have more than enough money (the bigger expenses we have are paid through the joint account, not my own) and he is just going to transfer enough across to the joint one to cover the rent etc.

Basically this leaves me in a shit position. If I tell UC he is working, quite rightly UC will drop (his new earnings mean it will be less than £100) and I'll have hardly any money and i need roughly £300 a month to cover my outgoings from my personal account. If I don't tell UC he is working, were claiming fraudulently.

I'm in no position to leave right now, though I am planning to before the end of the year, so LTB, whilst an appropriate response really isn't helpful. I cant work right now, DH uses our car for work, public transport where we are now is a bit hit and miss still. I cant afford childcare for DD and I doubt DH is about to cough up for it, I have family near by but they are in the shielding category and it feels a bit unfair to put this upon them.
There is no way I'll get any credit to be able to get money to get me out of this situation any time soon, family can't loan me anything.
The job i intend to go into, that I've been working so hard towards since before DHs gambling fuck up, depends on integrity and I'll never get a job if I'm caught basically committing fraud.

No idea what I expect anyone to say tbh, I'll be surprised if anyone is still reading at this point Sad

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RandomMess · 23/06/2020 12:37

Just ring up and change it.

Do you not have access to the joint account? If you do take the money out...

Out all the utility bills etc into his name. The day you leave tell council tax.

Student welfare services will still be working (I work at a uni) tell them it's urgent.

Roomba · 23/06/2020 12:42

If he is being paid into a bank account, it will be picked up and flagged via the automated alert system DWP and HMRC use anyway. When my sister repaid me £600 she owed me via bank transfer, I got a letter a couple of weeks later asking if my circumstances had changed. I was invited to attend an interview to discuss whether I was still eligible for UC and if I didn't attend my claim would be closed automatically.

It was all fine as I explained and they could see nothing had changed for me, but if they can pick that up they will pick up a regular wage being paid in no problem. And then you have much bigger problems. If he persists in doing this you need to separate your finances legally, or you'll both end up with a criminal record/large repayments to make/both.

Nat6999 · 23/06/2020 12:45

If you can provide proof of you being abused financially, your credit card debt can be wiped out, it is coercive control that he is doing to you. Speak to your local council, they will have an advisor who deals with debt, they will be able to help you get this sorted, separate from your husband in the ways other posters have said, file for divorce, get your name on the council waiting list as a single parent. Women's Aid will be able to help you get sorted & you will be able to put a claim in to CMS to get maintenance for your children & maybe for yourself as your husband is earning £30k, you will also be able to claim part of any pensions your husband has paid in to during your marriage.

Nihiloxica · 23/06/2020 12:55

Good advice from Nat.

The option you don't have here is to do nothing.

You will be implicated in this fraud if you don't take steps (quickly) to distance yourself from him financially.

ChiaraRimini · 23/06/2020 13:33

OP go on your uni website, you will be able to find the contact info for student welfare there. You do not need to go via your tutor.

Givingup123456 · 23/06/2020 13:52

Kick him out. You take him off the claim and tell them you kicked him out. İt doesn't start a new claim just takes him off. İt's based on your monthly circumstances so there's no weeks to wait.

Givingup123456 · 23/06/2020 13:54

@roomba they can't see payments into your bank account

Givingup123456 · 23/06/2020 13:54

Only from hmrc

ArriettyJones · 23/06/2020 13:54

She can’t kick him out. He’s the (sole) tenant.

Northernsoulgirl45 · 23/06/2020 18:44

Op he still has time to register as self employed. If you don't take action this could affect you more than him. Advice would be to sever your ties with him.

Lockdownlooks · 23/06/2020 19:13

Well done on all the steps so far. As well as universal credit you need to separate any claim for council tax reduction. Talk to citizens advice or women’s aid about help paying rent if you are still there and he isn’t paying. There are some circumstances when universal credit help even when your name is not on the tenancy.

gumball37 · 23/06/2020 22:47

Do not lie for him

Thehop · 24/06/2020 16:51

How are you doing OP?

DHisaDick · 25/06/2020 12:02

I've applied for some help at university, from their hardship fund. The welfare officer thinks it's highly likely I'll get something if theres still some left in the pot, so fingers crossed for that.

Womans aid have advised keeping finances as separate as possible so its easier to prove we are living separately even if we are under the same roof and also to text/document my disapproval of what he is doing so at least there Is is solid evidence that I am not a willing participant in this.
I get a universal credit payment early next week so as soon as i receive that i am going to stop our joint claim and claim separately.
In the mean time I have started putting a couple of things on ebay, old toys, electronics and a bit of jewellery etc. which I'm estimating will give me around £200 extra.
I have some quite expensive gifts from DH from earlier in our relationship (worth around £1,000). They are easy to prove they are gifts so he would struggle to say they belong to him and I have asked my mum to keep hold of them so I can sell them if things get tight in the future. They dont really hold any sentimental value any more.

I've had a serious chat about the gravity of the situation with DH and he was usually reasonable about it. He is flitting between saying he will register as self employed in September when I get my student loan again, and deciding he will register as self employed but only declare a % of his earnings (this is a stupid idea it will be obvious by te amount in his bank he is a lying shit). So at least he is starting to consider making his earnings legit which makes me feel slightly better about my short term situation. We have discussed divorce, again he is being unusually reasonable, and agrees it is a sensible decision which is the polar opposite to the reaction I usually her; he loves me, what about DD and being a family etc..

I have looked into council housing I'm not sure I fully understand the process yet but it appears I have to 'bid' on a property and depending on how much I need the property depends on how high up the priority list I go? Some properties have over a thousand bids on them so I'm not holding out much hope.

I've looked into private renting, theres a tiny 3rd floor flat for rent which is very cheap and would be within my budget for now, but it's a mess. I'm going to view it tomorrow whilst DH is at work(!!) And see if it would be safe enough for DD to live in. I dont need anything fancy but it does need to be safe enough.

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RandomMess · 25/06/2020 12:05

Did you ask about uni accommodation?

Have you sorted the car in terms of you own it, you pay the loan and insurance is in your name?

Thehop · 25/06/2020 12:25

That sounds like you’ve achieved loads I’m so impressed! Well done OP.

Don’t trust he’ll remain reasonable. Get your paperwork/evidence together and plan for him being an arse just incase.

DHisaDick · 25/06/2020 13:14

I havnt enquired about unicorns accommodation.. I suspect this will be slightly outing but earlier this year there was a big issue with some of the uni accommodation being unsuitable to live in so they had to find alternative accommodation for them. Then when lockdown came about some students were offered cash incentives (not sure the exact details) to give up their accommodation for NHS use (being a bit vague as it's very obvs which uni I'm on about if you know it). So I dont think I'm likely to get accommodation via them, especially with having DD so halls arnt an option I guess.
Likewise I'm one of the older ones, I can't see my friends being open to house sharing with us as they are a lot more social than me.

No I'm fully prepared for him to reverse back to his awkward, manipulative self. I've started organising any paperwork, child benefit letters, recent bills and passports and birth certificates too so I'll have them all to hand if I need them.

Car and insurance is all mine anyway, my friend has agreed to be a named driver and it's actually brought my premium down slightly below what it cost to have DH on there Grin

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DHisaDick · 25/06/2020 13:17

And for anyone else reading this who's feels the are in a similarly shitty situation and everything feels impossible and you cant see a way out of a bad relationship.. just go for it. It did feel impossible a few days ago but I can see the light, one step at a time.

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Nihiloxica · 25/06/2020 13:28

Wow, I'm so impressed with all you've managed.

Well done, you.Smile

RandomMess · 25/06/2020 13:43

You would qualify for family accommodation so it is worth asking!

billybagpuss · 25/06/2020 13:46

You've done so well, thats amazingly well done and good luck for the coming weeks.

(and I love the unicorns accommodation auto-correct Grin )

AnotherEmma · 25/06/2020 14:07

Wow you've been busy, good for you. Keep up the good work! Keep talking to women's aid and do contact your council's housing advice team - ask them about making a homelessness application due to domestic abuse (nb if you are not comfortable doing this you could still contact them and just about housing options, deposit schemes etc).

"I get a universal credit payment early next week so as soon as i receive that i am going to stop our joint claim and claim separately."
Just to clarify, you don't need to stop the joint claim and start a new single claim. All you need to do is log into your UC account and report a change of circumstances ie change in relationship status and wanting to switch to a single claim.
See Check if a change affects your Universal Credit (EWS) § If you're still living with your ex-partner
www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/universal-credit/what-youll-need-to-do-on-universal-credit/check-if-a-change-affects-your-universal-credit/#h-if-you-re-still-living-with-your-ex-partner

Dontfuckingsaycheese · 25/06/2020 15:00

UC get their earnings info from HMRC. Has your DH told them he was made redundant? Did he receive redundancy? Pay in leiu etc. They'll need all that info. They will be in contact as soon as they see he has no income as they don't just pay the higher amount if earnings stop. It is either to top up earnings (full or part time) or when you're out of work. If you're out of work and don't have a valid reason (eg disabled and not able to work) you're still required to look for work and sign up to all the agreements, etc that that involves like Jobseekers allowance used to do.

converseandjeans · 25/06/2020 16:57

Well done for getting things started. I hope you can find some uni accommodation. It would be cheaper for you. Good luck.

lemmathelemmin · 25/06/2020 20:05

If DWP get their information from HMRC then why are some people asked to declare all earnings each month in order to receive UC. Just wondering?