Are this Govt fit for office??

[Thedogscollar]

Ok here we go. Hand on heart are this Govt fit for office? Before you answer take into consideration.

1. Huge balls up with PPE at beginning of pandemic.
2. The Cummings debacle and how they defended the indefensible.

3.The handling of the schools and the millions of children not having any education and still no concrete plans in place. 4.Track and trace app being about as useful as a chocolate teapot, although they were told it would not work 2 months ago. 5.The U turn after pressure on free school meals.

1. Spending a million pound painting a bloody aeroplane.
2. Dominic Raab likening Taking the knee to something from Game of Thrones.

They seem to stumble from one disaster to another. Are other first world countries governments as incompetent as ours seem to be?

OP

You're as bad as the government. You just listed the reasons why they're failing and didn't include our shockingly high number of excess deaths but did include a decision to give children free meals over the holidays during a national crisis.

You're appalling and I dread to think who you would vote in.

Mumra if they kill Spicer through overwork i'm going up to London to personally drag them out and chuck them in the Thames!

Notice how Cendrillon hasn't posted a poll lately? That's because in all areas,and particularly public confidence in CV handling and Johnson's personal approval, the ratings are going straight down the bog. All very well to desperately shit-snipe from the sidelines but that's not going to save them from the truth.

All these 'bet you couldn't do any better' pp talk as if Johnson and Co were drafted into Gov against their will, or volunteered out of the goodness of their hearts.

If it's just a case of muddling through and nothing to do with intelligence, experience, capability, commitment to public service, following advice etc
why bother electing anyone? I know plenty of extremely resourceful and capable people who volunteer a couple of weeks running the country.

The government is a farce, with a lying, shambles of a man at the helm. His cabinet consists of idiots, out of touch and arrogant people. I do not know how that fool continues to be PM after the way he has handled things. He is a disgrace.

Two words Jeremy Corbyn

The thread asks whether this government are fit for office not whether Corbyns labour would have fared better.

Oh thats brilliant Pink Taxi why has nobody else said that?

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OP

You're as bad as the government. You just listed the reasons why they're failing and didn't include our shockingly high number of excess deaths but did include a decision to give children free meals over the holidays during a national crisis.

You're appalling and I dread to think who you would vote in.

It's great about the 'free school meals' over the summer, Ov9c (that username must've taken hours of careful thought 😉), but, what this so-called 'government' has form for is seeing in which direction the crowd is heading then leaping to the front, shouting 'follow me, chaps!'

This U turn came about because Marcus Rashford shamed them, particularly at a time when issues thrown up by BLM are at the forefront of the media.

Completely agree OP, and not to forget the policies they are pushing through in the midst of the pandemic, for example the lowering of food standards and the absolute unwillingness to extend the brexit transition period, leading to even more uncertainty for businesses, on top of the corona uncertainty. And no general election in sight for another 4 years! I could weep!!

Honestly the whole ‘labour would have been worse’ argument is a totally irrelevant load of old shite. The tories have been in power for 10 years and this shitshow is ALL on them!

I don't think that Jeremy Corbyn would have been a fantastic PM and can't say how he would have coped in this situation. But the thing is that it would never have been just Jeremy Corbyn because he would never have won a majority. It would have been a progressive coalition of Lab-Lib-SNP, maybe led by Corbyn but with a lot of heavyweight and experienced politicians behind him.
The government we have now is more of a PR machine than a government, and a dishonest one at that. The Tory cabinet are a bunch of shysters, in post solely for their loyalty to Johnson, Gove and the Brexit cause, not because of experience, integrity or competence, or any desire to help the British people though this. And the truth is they're way out of their depth. Coronavirus has only laid that bare for everyone most people to see.

Chris Riddle’s take on the week - own goals on track and trace, free school meals & closing the Department for International Development (though cutting foreign aid will probably please a lot of Conservatives).

It’s bizarre times when we find ourselves looking to premiership footballers for sensible political commentary rather than our actual Government.

What on earth will next week bring?

No. Hth

No party would have successfully managed this

This. I don't think Labour would have done much better or indeed, much worse. It would likely have been different.

A Labour government would have had the legacy of 10 years of Tory rule to manage and this pandemic happened very quickly. So the whole Government was warned in 2016 that pandemic readiness was not good enough but still no PPE etc. was ordered at that point. Labour still would have had to manage that, for example, and would have likely been blamed for it even though it was utterly outwith their control. This is where we can lay blame for basic incompetencies which have cost lives. Stuff like Johnson not attending Cobra meetings on the virus, the dithering over lockdown, is all problematic and doesn't show good leadership. I'll give him his due, however, he did manage to get covid and show us even money and power wasn't going to keep us safe. That was taking one for the team if ever we've seen it!

No party would have successfully managed this

No one should accept this blatant 'excusing' propaganda.

Yes, there might be some issues that couldn't have been avoided but in that case don't lie about them. Don't tell people that the country is 'completely prepared' if it isn't. Don't tell people that testing will be 'ramped up' when it wasn't, don't tell people that care homes have been 'protected' when they haven't, don't tell people your Track and Trace system will be 'world-beating' before you've even tested it out etc etc ad fucking nauseum

STOP LYING TO PEOPLE!

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I'm appalling am I? Oh and as bad as this government according to you. Your post is as nonsensical as your username.
I could write bloody pages of this government's failings.
@CendrillonSings all you do is defend them with no backup as to what they have succeeded in. You might call it moaning but the rest of us call it holding them to account for their inept performance in every aspect of this pandemic. It's called freedom of speech.

The most telling thing about this thread - and others - is that now there is never even an attempt by the likes of CendrillonSings to explain why we are wrong and why they consider this government to be capable, right, fair etc. Not a word.

That poster has now taken the trouble to come back several times to jeer but has avoided any interaction with the poster(s) who asked them, quite simply - why are they good then? What are they doing right? Explain. Defend your position. Debate.

In fact CS swiftly disappeared for a day and kept head well down until they though tthat that one had been safely forgotten

It says it all. Nobody is able to defend them. The absolute diehards are what you see in that poster- all they can do now is jeer and throw insults. I don't think they know what, politically, they themselves stand for any more - how can they? The one single answer I canthink of is if someone came on here and said, I'm happy with them. I'm a rich hedge fund manager and what this government is doing is gutting the country so that I, and they, profit as private citizens.

I can't think of a single other thing now. I mean they've even sold out the farmers now with the US trade deal.

If they get re-elected, which is really quite possible, it will be because of the right-wing press propaganda machine. They decide who wins, it's as simple as that.

*The most telling thing about this thread - and others - is that now there is never even an attempt by the likes of CendrillonSings to explain why we are wrong

I really must defend Cendrillon against that slur - they have never attempted to explain the shit they post, not just now.

And without the desperate grinny face emoji they would literally be struck dumb. A fitting supporter for this desperately dumb and dishonest Government.

@Fizzygreenwater and @FliesandPies It has not gone unnoticed the same names pop up again and again defending this bunch of clowns by hurling insults about like "well Jeremy Corbyn would have been far worse" 🙄 so tedious and not a counter active argument at all.

I doubt Cendrillonsings will ever come back with any worthwhile argument she seems incapable much like her beloved Tories.

The ‘Corbyn would have been worse’ line is pathetic.

Imagine that applied to a job situation. You get hired for something and you’re a total shit show.

You don’t get to the play the ‘but the other guy at interview was worse’ card for the rest of eternity. What happens is they fire your ass and readvertise.

And there are many, many countries that handled this better than the U.K. Almost all of them. The only ones who did worse were USA and arguably Sweden.

No government would have found this easy - but this one is definitely bottom of the class; Here are some reasons:

• they had systematically run public services down over many years with their crazy austerity policies
• they ignored the Cygnus advice on how to prepare for a pandemic
• they failed to take action at the beginning when it would have dine some good and prevented thousands of deaths
• they set rules for lockdown then allowed a top government adviser to ignore them with no consequences
• they are headed up by a known liar and a cheat and people therefore have no faith n their pronouncements
• the insisted that care and nursing homes take in untested patients from hospital, thus precipitating the debacle of so many unecessary deaths
• they failed to close our borders at a time when it would have kept us relatively virus-free
• they failed to start testing and tracing and isolating until months in
• using children as guinea pigs with no science to back up their actions

What a bunch!

Well put @Mischance. The worrying part is that we are stuck with them for another four years. Four more years of the blonde buffoon, all we need is the lunatic in America being voted back in and we are truly up shit creek without a paddle.

thedogs

What a comeback. You clearly are a force to be reckoned with.

If this was a school report then yes the government has massively underperformed and borderline unfit for office as I agree with all your first six above points but not the one about the body posturing gesture (Raab is spot on!) as I believe the UK government and regional home nation governments/authorities has failed and hence 50k plus and ongoing record daily Covid fatalities as if to keep saying hey at least it is less each day is the only “acceptable” positive!

However apart from the government leadership in Taiwan, Hong Kong, South Korea and New Zealand has any government performed relatively well? Probably not. Would an opposition or different UK government performed any better? Again probably not hypocritically!

Ideally we should be competitive and aiming for more “acceptable” German Covid performance and not trying to be better than USA, Brazil, Russia, India and Belgium etc.

It’s astonishing how some people will argue night is day the defend BJ and co. I do wonder about the mentality.

I’ve voted Conservative over the years but if this cabinet isn’t a shitshow, I really don’t know what is.

The policies are one thing. It’s the blatant gaslighting I can’t abide. The Brexit bus. When they tried to claim proroguing Parliament had nothing to do with Brexit. Or the DC affair. They treat the public with contempt. But sadly, many in the public seem to enjoy it. And the sad thing is, those cheering the loudest are the ones this govt despise the most.

And we all know what’s going to happen next.., the scientists at Oxford will come up with a vaccine and BJ will be first in line to seize the moment to claim all the credit. And people will actually give him the credit as well and hail him as a hero - “our Boris and our NHS”..,

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And you are clearly as nonsensical as your username