Are this Govt fit for office??

[Thedogscollar]

Ok here we go. Hand on heart are this Govt fit for office? Before you answer take into consideration.

1. Huge balls up with PPE at beginning of pandemic.
2. The Cummings debacle and how they defended the indefensible.

3.The handling of the schools and the millions of children not having any education and still no concrete plans in place.
4.Track and trace app being about as useful as a chocolate teapot, although they were told it would not work 2 months ago.
5.The U turn after pressure on free school meals.

1. Spending a million pound painting a bloody aeroplane.
2. Dominic Raab likening Taking the knee to something from Game of Thrones.

They seem to stumble from one disaster to another. Are other first world countries governments as incompetent as ours seem to be?

[SeaWitchly]

Absolutely not.

[ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia]

Not read the whole thread but essentially I get the gist so any takers as who is best to take us forward given Covid and Brexshit mess?

Is Boris not least bad choice? Or are any from within better equipped to sort things out?

Opposition must be so content that this is not on their watch! That said new Labour leader is seemingly potentially useful if ever there was to be yet another circus vote?!

With 80 or whatever number he can command in his gang these days I think Bojo is secure as others seemingly waiting for him to mess up big time as typical internal party politics despite the recent clear out after May’s nightmare never say die attitude!

The mess and complications are easier to spot but obviously what’s the solution??!! That’s an impossible one to figure out currently!

[TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince]

I keep reading how his own party want him out, because they also think he’s useless.

And l read a really good article comparing Johnson to Edward Heath in the early 70’s. Overwhelmed by everything and in control of nothing.

[FliesandPies]

It's so sadly true, so despicably true, so unbearable true Thedogscollar they really are all arseholes and couldn't care less. This scandal re Whately should be top of the news agenda - it's no less a scandal than that of Dominic Cummings which dominated for a week. Actually I would say more of a scandal since it touches on so many areas of failure of this shameful, dishonest government.

[Thedogscollar]

@FliesandPies This just demonstrates just how out of touch these ministers are. Our senior student midwives have been working alongside us as Band 4's, providing a brilliant addition to the service whilst our pregnant midwives and those with underlying health conditions have been given non clinical duties.

Helen Whateley was interviewed by Piers Morgan at the beginning of this crisis and she was unbearable to watch and listen to. She could not answer anything hadn't a clue about the death toll in care homes, which is meant to be her area to govern.

This government are a bunch of spineless, useless and deluded idiots who still have the audacity to think they've done a good job. Jesus wept if this is a good job then I despair

Oh and to answer your question they are ALL arseholes.

[FliesandPies]

So, according to Helen Whately, student nurses are 'not deemed to be providing a service'. Despite working as soon as they hit the wards, and throughout the CV crisis as part of the NHS 'Heroes' squad.

I know it's been asked numerous times but - is there any member of this Gov who isn't a total arsehole? Anyone at all??

[mbosnz]

I do think they should have the class and respect to at least try and lie in a way that a half lucid body could believe it.

[TowelHoarder]

@KenDodd true, we’ve always known that politicians lie but the current lot are taking it to a whole new level, and whatever mess they make they’ll just say but imagine how much worse it would’ve been had Labour been in charge.

[KenDodd]

TowelHoarder
Except they won't get the blame. They will point the finger elsewhere and voters will believe it. Or they'll just lie, we've seen in recent years just how successful lying has been for them.

[TowelHoarder]

Not read the full thread but I bet Labour are secretly quite glad to be able to sit back and let the Tories deal with the pandemic and Brexit so they don’t get the blame for screwing the country up.

[user1471565182]

A journal article with an amazing title-

'Working-Class Conservatives: A Theory of Political Deviance'

www.jstor.org/stable/588640?seq=1

[user1471565182]

A lot of studies have shown that people do naturally defer and show more respect to their social 'betters', particulary in this country. Its bloody pathetic but explains tory voters.

[KenDodd]

They treat the public with contempt
I agree.

I know Cummings and Aaron Banks have made absolutely no secret of the fact they think Leave voters are thick and have both said as much publicly. Given the way the Tories treat them, I presume they think their voters are thick as well. Oddly, Leave voters kick up a huge fuss if Remain voters even imply they might not have fully understood all the implications of their vote and yet have no comment when Vote Leave smirk and make fun of their stupidity (in front of MPs if you want to watch it).

[LaurieMarlow]

They treat the public with contempt. But sadly, many in the public seem to enjoy it.

This is the bit that I don’t understand. What is up with the defenders. It’s like they have no self respect whatsoever. They’re being taken for absolute fools and that’s ... fine with them?

Is it because Boris and co are posh boys? Or would they be happy to be lied to, palmed off and gaslit by anyone? You’ve got to wonder about the psychology.

[GazeboParty]

SIL - big Brexit supporter, works in the NHS, cried because of lack of PPE, blamed the rich for not donating enough! Voted for Johnson - thought he was funny, had loads of character - that's what we needed apparently lots of positivity - not this annoying old doom and gloom.
Well she got the doom and gloom in spades - but she'll still defend her choice in Johnson, it's quite amazing.

[Thedogscollar]

@0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h
And you are clearly as nonsensical as your username

[3catsonthebed]

And we all know what’s going to happen next.., the scientists at Oxford will come up with a vaccine and BJ will be first in line to seize the moment to claim all the credit. And people will actually give him the credit as well and hail him as a hero - “our Boris and our NHS”..,

[3catsonthebed]

It’s astonishing how some people will argue night is day the defend BJ and co. I do wonder about the mentality.

I’ve voted Conservative over the years but if this cabinet isn’t a shitshow, I really don’t know what is.

The policies are one thing. It’s the blatant gaslighting I can’t abide. The Brexit bus. When they tried to claim proroguing Parliament had nothing to do with Brexit. Or the DC affair. They treat the public with contempt. But sadly, many in the public seem to enjoy it. And the sad thing is, those cheering the loudest are the ones this govt despise the most.

[ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia]

If this was a school report then yes the government has massively underperformed and borderline unfit for office as I agree with all your first six above points but not the one about the body posturing gesture (Raab is spot on!) as I believe the UK government and regional home nation governments/authorities has failed and hence 50k plus and ongoing record daily Covid fatalities as if to keep saying hey at least it is less each day is the only “acceptable” positive!

However apart from the government leadership in Taiwan, Hong Kong, South Korea and New Zealand has any government performed relatively well? Probably not. Would an opposition or different UK government performed any better? Again probably not hypocritically!

Ideally we should be competitive and aiming for more “acceptable” German Covid performance and not trying to be better than USA, Brazil, Russia, India and Belgium etc.

[0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h]

thedogs

What a comeback. You clearly are a force to be reckoned with.

[Thedogscollar]

Well put @Mischance. The worrying part is that we are stuck with them for another four years. Four more years of the blonde buffoon, all we need is the lunatic in America being voted back in and we are truly up shit creek without a paddle.

[Mischance]

No government would have found this easy - but this one is definitely bottom of the class; Here are some reasons:

• they had systematically run public services down over many years with their crazy austerity policies
• they ignored the Cygnus advice on how to prepare for a pandemic
• they failed to take action at the beginning when it would have dine some good and prevented thousands of deaths
• they set rules for lockdown then allowed a top government adviser to ignore them with no consequences
• they are headed up by a known liar and a cheat and people therefore have no faith n their pronouncements
• the insisted that care and nursing homes take in untested patients from hospital, thus precipitating the debacle of so many unecessary deaths
• they failed to close our borders at a time when it would have kept us relatively virus-free
• they failed to start testing and tracing and isolating until months in
• using children as guinea pigs with no science to back up their actions

What a bunch!

[LaurieMarlow]

The ‘Corbyn would have been worse’ line is pathetic.

Imagine that applied to a job situation. You get hired for something and you’re a total shit show.

You don’t get to the play the ‘but the other guy at interview was worse’ card for the rest of eternity. What happens is they fire your ass and readvertise.

And there are many, many countries that handled this better than the U.K. Almost all of them. The only ones who did worse were USA and arguably Sweden.

[Thedogscollar]

@Fizzygreenwater and @FliesandPies It has not gone unnoticed the same names pop up again and again defending this bunch of clowns by hurling insults about like "well Jeremy Corbyn would have been far worse" 🙄 so tedious and not a counter active argument at all.

I doubt Cendrillonsings will ever come back with any worthwhile argument she seems incapable much like her beloved Tories.

[FliesandPies]

*The most telling thing about this thread - and others - is that now there is never even an attempt by the likes of CendrillonSings to explain why we are wrong

I really must defend Cendrillon against that slur - they have never attempted to explain the shit they post, not just now.

And without the desperate grinny face emoji they would literally be struck dumb. A fitting supporter for this desperately dumb and dishonest Government.