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To think that actually, there probably is a paedophile on every corner?

367 replies

MrsToadofToadHall · 17/06/2020 12:59

When I first became a parent, back in the 2000s, I tended to think that some other parents were quite irrational about their fears regarding paedophiles. There seemed to be quite a lot of hysteria about child abductions whipped up in the tabloids, quite a few of the mums I knew looked very suspiciously on men who worked or volunteered with children, and I tended to think that although paedophiles unfortunately existed, they were in the minority and we shouldn't raise our children to be suspicious of every man just because he was a man, nor should we limit their independence due to fear of something that was very unlikely to happen. I suppose I was a bit "cool mum" and proud of my ability to rationalise and see through hysteria

In recent years, I've come to think that I was wrong. So many famous and prominent people have been exposed as having abused children and teenagers. Although I have always supported a certain level of sex ed in schools, elements of this have gone beyond a level I'm comfortable with. It seems to me to be more acceptable to expose children to sexual/adult issues at an earlier age. As well as this, recent revelations in my own fairly small community have caused me to reconsider - a teenager who abused younger relatives, it was brought to the attention of police and SS but in the end, all that could be done was refer him for optional counselling. Three or four men have been found out as they attempted to groom very young girls, some primary aged, via social media. Friends have also confided in me regarding their own childhood abuse. I know most of these men, and while I realise that abusers don't come with a big sticker on their forehead, most of them really were spectacularly ordinary and had wives and children

Obviously I still realise that the vast majority of men are fine, but my point is, I thought paedophiles were a few lone individuals, and now it seems there are far more of them about than I ever would have realised.

Does that make sense? Confused

OP posts:
Pepperwort · 17/06/2020 13:41

Of course you can limit 7 year olds accessing extreme porn on the web. Far too much of this idea of adult helplessness around the internet. 14 yr olds I admit are more difficult.

megletthesecond · 17/06/2020 13:41

To be fair, good sex ed is the one thing that would help prevent it.

SantanaBinLorry · 17/06/2020 13:44

one on every corner and then some :(

Tiktokgone · 17/06/2020 13:45

Child pornography is the term used by the police officer in that documentery. Don't come at me over pedantic. Yeesh.

BarbieandKenBruce · 17/06/2020 13:47

I don't think YABU. It's one of my main aims to just get my DC through life without being sexually abused and if I have to be over cautious to achieve it I will. They can grow up unmolested and moan about me if they want and I'd rather that than them deal with the lifelong trauma of CSA. This makes me sound mad but I would never let on or worry them, I'd just make personal decisions about limiting every opportunity I could for someone to access them that way. My DH feels the same.

EverdeRose · 17/06/2020 13:48

@LastTrainEast

I completely agree, it's all about teaching children from a young age. I remember having sex education classes age 11, we were all well aware of sex by that age from secret whispering and lots of late night TV.

@Pepperwort I agree that you can control what your own children access but you can't control how other parents parent, it only takes 1 child with a mobile phone to google the wrong thing for a full group of kids to be exposed to it.

CrazyTimesAreOccurring · 17/06/2020 13:49

Person I worked with has been charged with being a peadophile. Denying it but video evidence is strong apparently (images of herself sent to dcs school friends). Is absolutely opposite to the mental image i expect a lot of us have as to what these perverts look like.

OP YANBU, thankfully it is being talked about more now though as opposed to when I was a child. But still so far to go

User1775836552 · 17/06/2020 13:50

YANBU, I normally stay away from articles or reading about cases as I find them to upsetting but have been sucked into the MM case recently. It’s really been an eye opener and quite terrifying.

We had a painter and decorator in who was arrested for trying to meet up with a 14 year old girl. It was a guy in disguise and he was caught. He always seemed a decent bloke 😖.

I read an article years ago which said that a lot of paedophiles contrary to popular belief are actually young, trendy guys who have friends etc.

RoseGoldEagle · 17/06/2020 13:50

Two family friends that I’ve found out as an adult were paedophiles. Nothing ever happened to me but I feel I was lucky and it could have. What I find so hard is the people that know and cover it up. I watched the Jeffry Epstein documentary on Netflix recently, I found him vile, obviously, but what got to me more was how many people knew and kept quiet- people who you’d assume were otherwise decent. My kids are tiny at the moment, but I know I’m going to find it so hard when they’re older- sleepovers and clubs etc, they’re just so vulnerable and these monsters do seem to be more common than I ever used to think too OP.

CloudyVanilla · 17/06/2020 13:50

YANBU. Not just men and not just adults

This. What really worries me is the emerging amount of cases of children abusing other children. A very taboo and horrible subject but I'm very wary of other children.

Not in a super paranoid way, but I have sad and personal experience both as a child and almost as a parent of this. If I wasnt as aware as I already was, something may well have happened to my DD but luckily I was always on guard.

It's so sad to think of a child doing this and of why a child would do this. It has massive fall out for everyone involved

madamim · 17/06/2020 13:55

the words "child pornography" and "child prostitution" are used to normalise the abuse and also make us think there is consent. When it comes to children, whilst under the legal they are unable to give consent, it should be classed as child sexual abuse.

User1775836552 · 17/06/2020 13:56

Why when they bust these child abuse rings are they so often in Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands???

EverdeRose · 17/06/2020 13:57

A distant family member of DH seemed lovely, his partner is quite a bit younger than him but I never thought anything of it.
It was only when she let slip how long they'd been together that I realised they'd met when she was just 16 and still in school.
The idea of him picking her up in her uniform makes me heave.
She might have been 16 and it might have all been 'legal' but she was still a child, in a uniform and he was collecting her from school.

TheCanterburyWhales · 17/06/2020 13:57

They aren't on every corner.
They're in families. They're grandad and uncle.
That's what we need to face up to.
Still far too much emphasis placed on "the bogeyman" the lone guy sitting on the park bench etc. There's a batshit thread at the moment with thinly veiled accusations of a neighbour but the fact is, it's almost always a relative or close family friend.

HavelockVetinari · 17/06/2020 13:57

YANBU at all OP, statistically there is one on every corner Sad

I think sex ed in some schools is going too far the other way - sexual practices that can actively harm people (generally women) are being presented as mainstream and to be expected (such as anal sex, threesomes, fisting and fetishes.

mamasiz · 17/06/2020 13:58

YANBU. I work in social care and have met many. All men, though I don’t doubt there are
women out there who are child abusers. The paedophiles I met are, as I think you said earlier OP, spectacularly ordinary.

Reedshoes · 17/06/2020 13:59

I’m sure I heard or read year ago that the prevalence of paedos, is as high as having one in every tube carriage. So whatever the ratio of normal people to paedos is.

It’s disgusting and disturbing that they are often rehoused and given new identities etc all ready to do it again. Then the poor parents have no idea of the sinister person living within they’d society.

It’s all that human right crap that they can’t be locked up indefinitely to protect children. All this rehabilitation rubbish that stops them being locked away with the keys thrown away.

I also think it’s terrifying that it’s not strangers so much that we need to worry about but people that are born to the child and can be ‘trusted’.

Also the fact everything can be accessed online. You hear so many horror stories of young girls getting groomed by sickos. It make me terrified to let my dd have a device.

It’s just absolutely awful

TheCanterburyWhales · 17/06/2020 14:00

User- maybe their police are better at busting those rings.

Reedshoes · 17/06/2020 14:00

Known

LiterallyProblematic · 17/06/2020 14:00

I’ve seen some relationship and sex education for schools which is horrifying! There was one which had a dice with different body parts on the dice (mouth/vulva/anus etc) and children were expected to discuss what could be done to that body part during sex.

PrincessConsuelaVaginaHammock · 17/06/2020 14:00

Probably not far off. Even if the incidence in the population was eg 1%, and plenty of educated estimates are higher, that would still mean there'd likely be one on lots of corners.

namelessforthis1 · 17/06/2020 14:02

Name changed for this post but I agree with this especially what CloudyVanilla has said. I was abused by a female friend of mine when I was a child (aged 7) she was only 2 years older than me at the time. I suspect she eventually told her mum some of the things that she did or her mum found out somehow because I have a very faint memory of my mum asking me about it but nothing was ever done about it just told not to let her do it again.

Tomatochopped · 17/06/2020 14:02

Definitely watch Shaun Attwood and Jon Wedger they expose so much corruption. Jon Wedger was in the police and had a hard time exposing them, his seniors knew it went on but apparently the cases were untouchable. Child abuse in care homes was exposed but people were not allowed to carry on the investigation.
Jon was even saying that sex offenders can live on canal boats and have 28 days to register as a sex offender once convicted in their borough of residence, or something like that, but at the end of 28 days they can move their boat 2 metres into another borough and have a fresh 28 days to register, so they just keep moving around every 28 days and get out of actually registering.
Madness!

TheCanterburyWhales · 17/06/2020 14:06

Jon Wedger exposed on hoax websites:
hoaxteadresearch.wordpress.com/2018/08/16/fact-checking-jon-wedger/

JoJothesquirrel · 17/06/2020 14:06

I always feel that people that protect abusers should be prosecuted, obviously knowing about the abuse isn’t enough for them to report, presumably to save face so maybe facing a prison sentence would push them to report. Teachers (and I think others) already have to report if they suspect abuse to remove the question about whether it’s serious enough.
I know a lot of people think that is punishing someone for someone else’s crime but protecting children is wveryones responsibility

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