It isn't white privilege

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AIBU to think white privilege should be BAME disprivilege?
I think the majority of the time, white people are treated as everyone should be treated, and BAME are treated badly. So white aren't privileged, BAME are disprivileged?
I of course think everyone race/demographic should be treated equally. This should be achieved by treating BAME better, not white worse? If it was white privilege, we would have to treat white people worse for everything to be as it should... for example, I don't think people get job offers because they're white. I think black people dont get job offers because they're black.

I know this isn't very significant or going to change the world, just thinking out loud

@ArriettyJones yep, agree with what you've said

[quote AIMD]@Whatisinaname1223
The point is you have put a comment on this thread about people coming from other countries and people who speak other language. You have made a leap between being black and being foreign/other/not British/English.[/quote]
It’s funny how she didn’t want to comment on OUR own British people that don’t work. Cheeky cow.....
She just thought she could use some type of reverse physiology and asked ME my job role the audacity of @Whatisinaname1223

So we can agree that there is a difference between how people of colour and white people are treated, perceived and therefore experience life.

But you need to take issue with the terminology.... you need to decide how people are allowed to reference that. THAT'S where your focus is?

Says it all.

I think the difficulty is that so many people have privilege, how do you separate them out?

It's not difficult at all. There are many different types of privilege but the one we are talking about here is the privilege you get for no other reason than the colour of your skin. It's really simple.

Same thing for BlackLivesMatter. I know you didn't ask about that but for those who still don't understand. It's equally been explained a gazillion times. All lives matter but black lives have NEVER mattered! hence we are telling everyone, "BlackLivesMatter" as well, or 'too'.

@ArriettyJones I'm wondering if there is tbh.

It's also on aibu " To wonder why people think there's no white privilege.

@ArriettyJones the other thread is on the 2nd page of threads now though it was more about why people struggle to accept they have privilege whereas this one was more about the actual semantics of the definition itself. Both interesting but we are going round in circles a bit now and I’m starting to see the word privilege in my sleep!

But you need to take issue with the terminology.... you need to decide how people are allowed to reference that. THAT'S where your focus is?

But she’s right, isn’t she?

I mean it’s really come to something when NOT being killed by a cop is a “privilege” and being killed by a cop is what? Normal?

Why can’t we go back to calling it what it is? Disadvantage for BAME individuals/community.

Thanks @HmmLetsSee @Buttercup77

I’ll go and have a look.

’Disable' means to make something incapable of functioning to its full potential. 'Unable' means it couldn't do it in the first place.

So people who have a disability since birth are actually unabled rather than disabled?

Why don't you invest your time thinking about ways you can actually further the BLM cause, instead of all this musing over what is, at best, semantics and at worst 'all lives matterism'?

Absolutely agree with you. OP's post is the epitome of 'white privilege' musing about what terms should be used, while those impacted by racism are dealing with actual, material issues brought about by very real forms of prejudice!

Who's "we"?

Can't we go back to calling it...what? If it looks like a duck and walks and quacks like it's a duck, it's a duck.

You may wish to focus on the injustice and rectifying that or you may wish to fart about discussing terminology... and you may be in privileged position to do so.

tbh if you're looking at race as a global issue and not just through the lens of USA race relations then white people will need to become less privileged for other races to attain even a fraction of the privilege white people in western countries enjoy.
There just aren't enough resources in the world for everyone to have the material comforts and privileges that white western people have. There would need to be a redistribution. So you're wrong on lots of counts.

@YounghillKang

Absolutely

@RosesandAnts

I think the difficulty is that so many people have privilege, how do you separate them out?

It's not difficult at all. There are many different types of privilege but the one we are talking about here is the privilege you get for no other reason than the colour of your skin. It's really simple.

Same thing for BlackLivesMatter. I know you didn't ask about that but for those who still don't understand. It's equally been explained a gazillion times. All lives matter but black lives have NEVER mattered! hence we are telling everyone, "BlackLivesMatter" as well, or 'too'.

How is it simple though?

How do you quantify it, if you choose a binary, basically black or white because there are other protected characteristics or privileges to also consider.

Take employment for example. If you say you aren't interested in anything else other than race ok, you positively discriminate in favour of black people but then that discriminates against another protected characteristic for example disabled people (if the only disabled applicants were white).

In schools, how do you address white privilege if the group who underperforms most are white working class boys? Are you saying in education that black students should be given help and the least well performing students should be left because they're white?

I'm just trying to understand how this works in society where you have many different marginalised or under privileged groups.

So, if you've got a black able bodied person and a white disabled person both applying for the same job how do you positively discriminate?

'White privilege' is exactly the correct terminology because it's from a BLACK person's point of view. The things white people "take for granted", e.g polite shop assistant, an invitation for an interview (for a senior job) if they have the right qualifications, help from the Police if you are lost, a fair hearing in court etc etc. where a black person in the same position cannot expect the same simply for being the wrong skin colour.

I think you have it wrong here. White privilege exists because white people are privileged over others. If everyone was treated equally the unfair advantage that white people currently have would not exist.

Think of university applications- White students are selected unfairly over BAME students. If everyone were treated equally instead some of the white students that previously had a place would not get one. It isn't possible for everyone to be treated as white people are.

Not sure I have made sense I'm very tired but hopefully you see what I am getting at.

White privilege is what's making you think this.

If you were black, you'd be thinking about how privileged white people are. White people are privileged and have an advantage over most things because of this.

I realise I'm assuming your race without RTFT.

To be fair I am privileged not just because I'm white but because I am middle class and professionally educated. I expect the white male consultant to behave as courteously to me as I behave to every single member of staff in his department. And I call him (or her) out on it if they don't and I'm shocked they don't.

Yesterday I listened to a public school educated black rugby player on R4 describing micro aggressions "you're wearing your white man's suit" - I wish I could remember the other phrases. I don't think people who say things like that have the intellect to make micro aggressions, I just think they are chuffing rude and deserve the MNet riposte "Oh, did you mean to be so rude"?

@Whatisinaname1223 you still haven’t said why talking about foreign people and people who speak other language is relevant to this topic. Can you answer that simple question?

There’s a language barrier what can a RGN do?

But isn't that a huge inequality? Surely, not being able to communicate must be one of the biggest disadvantages going so if the intention is to eradicate inequalities then wouldn't either lessons to improve English or free and readily available interpreters in all situations be a way to address this?

TinyPigeon are you saying that if two students apply to Oxford, both with 4A* A'Levels, the white student would be chosen over the black student? I really don't think that's the case.