It isn't white privilege

[L777]

AIBU to think white privilege should be BAME disprivilege?
I think the majority of the time, white people are treated as everyone should be treated, and BAME are treated badly. So white aren't privileged, BAME are disprivileged?
I of course think everyone race/demographic should be treated equally. This should be achieved by treating BAME better, not white worse? If it was white privilege, we would have to treat white people worse for everything to be as it should... for example, I don't think people get job offers because they're white. I think black people dont get job offers because they're black.

I know this isn't very significant or going to change the world, just thinking out loud

@RosesandAnts

I'm amazed "white privilege" needs this much explaining. It has been explained over and over again since the George Flloyd protests kicked off, yet people still come on to give examples of how they are not privileged e.g White and disabled. I don't wish disability on anyone and an advocate for disability issues but this poster obviously still doesn't get that if you think being white and disabled is hard, try being black and disabled.

I think the difficulty is that so many people have privilege, how do you separate them out?

So able bodied people have privilege

Men have privilege

White people have privilege

But in all of those groups there will be people who cross over, who have privilege in some groups but not in others, so who are meant to be fighting for change, who are meant to be loosing privilege?

Do you think able bodied black men should loose the privilege they have over disabled white women?

Do disabled white men have more or less privilege than able bodied black men? Black women?

So, in recruitment for example a previous poster suggested having a white person quota, should that include white disabled people within that or should we have a disabled quota in addition to a white quota?

Statistically knife crime in London is higher between BAME groups .

Statistically BAME people are more likely to be stopped and searched.

Everyone focusses on this issue. But actually this issues in disproportionate statistically.

What we need to do is back chain further. Why are they more likely to be involved. How did they get there? What are we not doing enough if in early years to stop the disenfranchisement and Gang mentality.

Alex Beresford is excellent at noting this and campaigning to solve the cause and not the result.

@GreytExpectations it's not about making things worse for white people, that was worded poorly. My point is that everyone should be treated as white are currently. For example, Pp's comment about being stopped by the police.
It's not about making it their issue at all. BAME discrimination would be a better phrase. And if anything that is making it more evidently the white peoples fault by clearly saying we are discriminating. We don't just happen to be privileged, it's because we are discriminating...
No I don't have an issue with the term white privilege. I wouldn't dispute at all that whites have a more likely to get job etc. I think white privilege could imply the privilege should be taken away, but I think it's more a case of giving the 'privilege' to everyone, rather than taking it away from whites. We are talking basic human rights, it's not a privilege to have them. Everyone should and it's discrimination if they don't

@itsgettingweird

Statistically knife crime in London is higher between BAME groups .

Statistically BAME people are more likely to be stopped and searched.

Everyone focusses on this issue. But actually this issues in disproportionate statistically.

What we need to do is back chain further. Why are they more likely to be involved. How did they get there? What are we not doing enough if in early years to stop the disenfranchisement and Gang mentality.

Alex Beresford is excellent at noting this and campaigning to solve the cause and not the result.

I agree absolutely at looking at the why and what can be done to stop it from happening but what do we do about now? Should we stop police from searching young black men? Would that be a step in the right direction?

@Iggly

A privilege means, relative to someone else, you have an advantage.

That’s basically it.

White privilege exists, it’s real so let’s not try to twist our tongues trying to deny it or downplay it.

The history of men in the last few hundred years has shown time and time again, white people have predominantly invaded other people’s lands, like parasites, destroyed culture and a way of life, and then claimed to be better than those with brown skin.

Absolutely. Richard Branson for one!!

But that's the point. White people are privaledged because they receive better treatment than BAME people. If it was a different term than it be unlikely to get any attention. Sadly people see the word "white" and they react and respond, they see the word "BAME" and think "Oh, that's not my problem"

@BlackKite

I understand your point. When we say it’s white privilege to not be stopped unfairly by the police, are we saying that everyone should be stopped unfairly by the police? It’s semantic but I understand

Of course not!!

Everybody should be stopped the same.

@Sweetlikecoca and what do you do for a living. I'm using a smart phone not my iPad. I'm a band 7 specialist nurse thankyou very much

No one is saying white people should be treated worse

They are. Even within this thread they are saying that.

that may mean that white people would have to feel some pain in the interim. That may mean not only assigning race quotas for some job roles / education courses; but applying maximum white person quotas

I get where you are coming from, op, and perhaps under-privelege maybe a better term.

I think, as someone posted quite early on, that if you are white but live in poverty, you don’t feel very ‘privileged’. It’s a slightly different meaning of the word, but you can understand where the confusion lies. That person is still struggling with life, but their black neighbour faces obstacles which they never will face.

(Ps. Really pleasing to see this subject discussed reasonably, with people understanding different points of views, rather than disintegrating into a slanging match).

Is this thread in response to the other white privilege thread going? Seems like a counter thread to me and this one doesn't make sense. Just mental gymnastics.

@Whatisinaname1223 ...and what??

@Whatisinaname1223, you have "lots of black friends". Of course you do. Go and speak to them in the manner in which you've posted and see how many you have left. Nasty, sly bigotry. Take it somewhere else.

[quote Whatisinaname1223]@Sweetlikecoca and what do you do for a living. I'm using a smart phone not my iPad. I'm a band 7 specialist nurse thankyou very much[/quote]
I’m a site matron

I think the majority of the time, white people are treated as everyone should be treated, and BAME are treated badly. So white aren't privileged, BAME are disprivileged?
I of course think everyone race/demographic should be treated equally. This should be achieved by treating BAME better, not white worse?

Yes I’ve long thought this (and although I shouldn’t have to do this I CBA with the woke squawking so I’ll declare upfront I’m of mixed heritage and so most definitely not speaking from a fad right racist perspective).

TBH, not being discriminated against is the very MINIMUM any human being should expect and that should be at its most obvious when police killings of BAME detainees are back at the top of the agenda. I.e it’s clearly not a PRIVILEGE that white people benefit from not to casually be killed by a cop when a minor issue gets out of hand. That, to me, I’d very clearly an enormous societal disadvantage that visibly BAME people SUFFER from.

Ditto job discrimination. Ditto ghettoisation. Ditto for education.

It shouldn’t need spelling out. None of this is about “privilege”. It’s about basic human rights being available to all.

@Whatisinaname1223
The point is you have put a comment on this thread about people coming from other countries and people who speak other language. You have made a leap between being black and being foreign/other/not British/English.

L777 I absolutely believe people should be treated equally. However, when I have a quiet word about timekeeping with the Polish, Asian, white British administrator it's taken on the chin. When I have the same word with the black person it's racist. So, I avoid setting standards because the grief is too great. It's very sad and does nobody any favours.

Being treated equally works two ways and I'm interested to know why you may think it doesn't.

@Whatisinaname1223 it still doesn’t entitle you to look down your nose NO MATTER your job role BTW you could be a junior sister or a F1 I couldn’t give a dam.

Get off your high 🐎

@HmmLetsSee

Is this thread in response to the other white privilege thread going? Seems like a counter thread to me and this one doesn't make sense. Just mental gymnastics.

Oh is there something bigger going on? Where’s the other thread?