It isn't white privilege

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AIBU to think white privilege should be BAME disprivilege?
I think the majority of the time, white people are treated as everyone should be treated, and BAME are treated badly. So white aren't privileged, BAME are disprivileged?
I of course think everyone race/demographic should be treated equally. This should be achieved by treating BAME better, not white worse? If it was white privilege, we would have to treat white people worse for everything to be as it should... for example, I don't think people get job offers because they're white. I think black people dont get job offers because they're black.

I know this isn't very significant or going to change the world, just thinking out loud

I think you have to think why white people are privileged. It's not random, white people set it up that way. So 'white privilege' also refers to the fact they own it because well, they made it and perpetuated it and benefit from it.

“Never treated any black people different. I hate it when I see patients at work whom are foreign dont speak english lived here years and wont help self”

@Whatisinaname1223 If you search really hard....really hard...you might find a racist assumption is what you just wrote.

What's interesting is that in my very urban town not one of my BAME friends feels they've e encountered disadvantage due to their race.

There is very obviously differences in sectors of the country. Cities and maybe very closed rural communities?

And my very right wing Tory stronghold area has a female BAME MP. Which also goes against the general narrative we hear.

The other thing I found was discussed more in depth was Baden Powel. Lots of homeohobic thoughts. Discussed as being in the 70's. well homosexuality was illegal back then. He was hardly alone in his beliefs? (Realise it doesn't make them right but context does matter). And scouting was one of the first movements to champion trans rights. I remember all the threads on here about camps, mix sex, trans children mixed in etc.

I think if it helps you to have a dialogue in the conversation about race by thinking of it in that way then that's a good thing. People focusing on the 'huh privileged, I'm not priveleged!' is very tiresome. I'm really up for anything that will help a good open discussion about this. On this topic I find there is a lot of echo chambering which doesn't really further the cause that much. Words ARE important, but I prefer action.

To put the onus on its also helps us to see that we all have a responsibility towards creating a fairer society.

Who is that onus being put on and how do they create a fairer society? Because just saying "white people" covers a whole raft of people, many in no.position to change society for anyone - disabled white people, poor white people etc. Depending on what it is you mean by "changing society" of course - by our own behaviour, then absolutely, that's on all of us. By changing laws, or culture within businesses, by changing who's employed - how many white people have the power to change that?

Our society is structured in such a way that a tiny minority have the power to change it surely?

just thinking out loud

I wouldn’t.

For one thing, ‘BAME disprivilege’ is a stupid phrase which, as well as being clunky and awkward, totally fails to understand that the point is to recognise the way white people specifically benefit from racial privilege, to the detriment of others.

Your post also clearly indicates that you think racism is a black person problem which requires a solution focused on black people changing their lives / behaviours, when racism is actually a white person problem for white people to fix.

Finally - it’s easy to assume when you’re in a position of privilege that steps towards equality mean you inevitably lose something. Even if that were true, you should be willing to give something up if it means everyone has equal rights and opportunities. But the truth is everyone would benefit from an equal society and you are wrong to ring fence the privileges you have and say that moves to combat racism are fine as long as they don’t impede those privileges for you.

I kind of get what you mean. But I think privileged is a word that can cause a knee jerk response from people. It's difficult to think as yourself as part of the privileged if you are stuck in poverty. Maybe white advantage would be better.

Sorry OP I don't agree. Nobody is saying to make things worse for white people. By saying BAME disprivledge (it's an awful phrase) but it almost makes it "their" issue and takes the accountability away from white people who unfortunately have been the ones to oppress BAME people for years.

Think of it like this, it's privaledge because white people benefit from the 400 oppression of black people. Do you have a particular issue with the phrase white privaledge?

What's wrong with thinking's it's annoying that people living in Britain don't seem to help themselves by trying to learn the language?

I lived in another European country for 6 years. More white than U.K. I was expected to try and learn and speak language. It was a skin cookout expectation.

If we never expect people to try and help themselves as a minimum I believer we are encouraging actually perpetuating white privileged. You'll have privilege if you have a basic understanding of the native tongue.

So a good starting point for all immigrants (BAME and European etc) would be English lessons that are accessible and free. That's helping to create advantage and equality.

Yes I think underprivileged is better than dispriviledged.

Under privileged people are a large group. Lots of minority groups and not just defined by their race. These people need more support to help themselves. And it is support and not giving things. We need education and support mechanisms.

@Whatisinaname1223 what has needing an interpreter got to do with this topic?

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1066572/sheffield-news-page-hall-estate-rats-rubbish-sheffield-city-council

@NoCureForLove wow. Yes people have given me opinions and explained their point, but I disagree and have debated accordingly. If you think people giving and explaining their opinions means I must then agree with them, I'd suggest that you are, as your teens would say, silly for real.

@Whatisinaname1223

Ironic that you complain in your posts about needing an interpreter, yet yours are the hardest posts to actually read.

Who is that onus being put on and how do they create a fairer society?

Everyone. We all can play a part in creating a fair society by examining our own attitudes, engaging in conversation, treating people fairly, speaking up against those that don't (when possible, I know that one can be hard), signing petitions that we support, speaking to our MPs and/or representatives in regional assemblies. We might not be able to facilitate immediate change in workplaces, but it's possible to open up discussions, to report poor behaviour to HR when you witness it. By supporting organisations that lobby for change.

There's loads we can do.

@Meredithgrey1 completely agree. I would've portrayed my point more clearly if I said BAME discrimination in op rather than disprivilege

I'm amazed "white privilege" needs this much explaining. It has been explained over and over again since the George Flloyd protests kicked off, yet people still come on to give examples of how they are not privileged e.g White and disabled. I don't wish disability on anyone and an advocate for disability issues but this poster obviously still doesn't get that if you think being white and disabled is hard, try being black and disabled.

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Who is that onus being put on and how do they create a fairer society?

Everyone. We all can play a part in creating a fair society by examining our own attitudes, engaging in conversation, treating people fairly, speaking up against those that don't (when possible, I know that one can be hard), signing petitions that we support, speaking to our MPs and/or representatives in regional assemblies. We might not be able to facilitate immediate change in workplaces, but it's possible to open up discussions, to report poor behaviour to HR when you witness it. By supporting organisations that lobby for change.

There's loads we can do.

Ok, fair enough. Sorry, I assumed people were talking about law change, policy change, recruitment etc - things that the average person has no control over. Yes, of course, anything that we can personally change we should be changing.

@Whatisinaname1223 ok. Before I said it was a racist comment. Why did you bring up language. What’s the link to this topic....

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I do understand what you mean - bame people are treated unfavourably, but it's naive to think that white people dont get an extra leg up for being white.

Same as men, good looking people and the rich get treated more favourably than women, the less genetically blessed and poorer folk.

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@BlackKite I completely agree and this is a great example. We say not getting stopped by the police because of race is white privilege when it's not, it's how it should be. BAME getting stopped by police is discrimination.

Op I don't think you are getting it. Is there a particular reason you are so against white privaledge? Did you read my post explaining?

So you want things to be more equal? We have adequate words for that