Am I the only person who doesn't know any trans people?

[LaureBerthaud]

Non goady question.

I don't know any, work with any or come across any trans people. Now it could be that they've done such a good job of transitioning that I don't notice, but where are they?

I was aware of trans people - not what they wore or even how they looked - but how they moved and spoke. A second look would confirm. But there was always something that would tell. Mostly middle aged men dressed like my mum

But this is what I mean - you know the ones where you can tell. But for a trans person who passes so effectively that you can’t tell, you simply wouldn’t know. So you can’t count them in your experience. Unless you’ve personally asked every single person you’ve ever met if they are trans (not something I recommend), you just don’t know.

@Star of course I would think of it the same way, someone having a different opinion to someone else is not hate.

@Lordfrontpaw - You're not the only person wondering that.

If you met my sister you may well think she was trans. As a child she would definitely been mermaided. She would tell you to get tae fuck. So no, I guess you don’t know...

Ridiculous. So, I’m black. If you saw someone say to me “You can’t do that because you’re a N***”
You’re saying that’s not hate and the problem is with me for being offended.

Any community that included the creeps who torpedoed the Wyoming FGM bill and Fionne is a bloody weird one (apologies to Fionne who is a lovely person).

I sort of know one M2F via work. She is such a lovely person and seems happy now.

She's had a tough time, and has no time for the loudest activists, believes they are making life harder for the majority of Trans people. She justs wants to get on with life, peacefully and raise her kids.

I'm not close enough to know the fallout within the family. I can imagine this is really difficult for many people and families.

@MiniatureHero very few trans women pass, they just don't. There are pictures of trans women who would pass but that's not real life - when you meet a trans woman you do generally know. I've met lots through family and never known a trans woman who passes in everyday life. People are polite and will use female pronouns etc if someone is wearing 'female' clothes

Trans men often pass and yes lots of people probably do know trans men but don't know it if you see what I mean. Because like you say we don't tend to ask if people are trans because that would be rude.

@StarScream22
Not at all.

My point is that not everyone has the same opinions, humans are judgmental and base things on stereotypes.

‘Hate undertones’ is an inflammatory term and shutting people down is not the way to make progress.

Obviously I'm taking about older people - we don't yet know what will happen to the children who've been given puberty blockers. They may have more chance of passing - but at the price of lifelong sterility, loss of the emotional maturity that happens in puberty etc

[quote ACNH]@Star of course I would think of it the same way, someone having a different opinion to someone else is not hate.[/quote]
Saying something offensive about a group of people is not simply "having a different opinion" would you say the same thing if a man said something sexist about women? The posts that I reported and got removed were offensive and transphobic otherwise they wouldn't have been removed or are you saying transphobia is OK because it's "just an opinion"?

Hate undertones’ is an inflammatory term and shutting people down is not the way to make progress.

Pretty hypocritical to say as on Mumsnet anyone who tries to support trans people gets shut down and called anti-women, yet calling out transphobia is inflammatory

humans are judgmental and base things on stereotypes

We have also evolved to become intelligent enough to know when to apply those stereotypes and to recognise that they are often harmful.

Or so I thought.

I’ve got 6 grandkids all at school. Only one of them knew of one, for a short while a girl in her school told everyone she was now a boy and all the kids were a bit bewildered but now she’s a girl again. My grandkids are baffled by it all, same as me I suppose.

@StarScream22

humans are judgmental and base things on stereotypes

We have also evolved to become intelligent enough to know when to apply those stereotypes and to recognise that they are often harmful.

Or so I thought.

Very well said, I would imagine this is just common sense but sadly not

No, don't know any.

I knew my psychology degree would come in useful one day @GreytExpectations

I know one trans man who is the sweetest, gentlest and most unassuming person you could hope to meet. You also wouldn't "know" if you met him. He's 30 and works in hospitality.

I know 2 but neither super well. One is a trans woman, who although is a bit tall I wouldn't say super obvious (but once you know it seems more obvious). I don't know her that well she is my mother's friend. My friends sibling is a trans man. He is autistic and had very fixed ideas about what men and women should like and was always a tomboy. Having said that being male does seem to kind of suit him, and he is starting to realise now that men and women can be less black and white (he has had all the ops and is happy as a man though regardless).

@GreytExpectations so how many comments have been removed from this thread?

@StarScream22 did you really think that? Because I haven’t seen evidence of that in my almost 40 years.

For every Rachel McKinnon there are about three Fionne Orlanders/Miranda Yardleys, but many of the latter kind of trans folk just want to keep their heads down and get on with their lives, which is why the McKinnons seem so loud.

The trans population is t that high and does tend to be concentrated in certain areas or cities - the way LGBT people have always moved to gay friendlier cities etc.
You also may just not be noticing trans people, they way people 30 or 40 years ago swore they hadn’t never met a gay man or a lesbian when in fact we were and are everywhere...

I knew of one about 15 years ago they had surgery, a friend of mine has someone in her workplace that is transitioning but I know no-one and neither does DD

There's a lady at my work, I would say 50's - she's lovely

I don't know any either.