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To wonder what happens in society now that will be frowned upon by our descendants

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Dylaninthemovies1 · 11/06/2020 12:36

There is lots of things our ancestors did in the past that we quite rightly think are morally reprehensible.

I’m wondering how history will judge us! What things will our descendants judge us for?

I’m thinking:
Destroying the environment
People in 3rd world country making our clothes for peanuts

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Annamaria14 · 11/06/2020 23:32

@Dylaninthemovies1 extreme porn exists everywhere in this generation, resulting in a lot of abuse rape and violence to women.

The previous generations did not have this much extreme porn available everywhere

Wearywithteens · 11/06/2020 23:35

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Annamaria14 · 11/06/2020 23:35

@Dylaninthemovies1 are you just talking about the UK? Because I am talking world wide. Women are treated terribly in many countries. In some countries I have been to, unbelievably bad. Like I actually wouldn't believe humans could be that cruel, unless I saw it with my own eyes.

So yes I think future generations will look back at this generation and be absolutely shocked at how the world treated women

fridpst · 11/06/2020 23:36

These days it’s illegal to discriminate in the workplace based on sex. Woman have the right to vote, drive, buy property, in fact, all the rights men have. It’s no longer legal to rape your wife. It’s not perfect, not by a long shot, but it’s a lot better than previous generations had it

Surely it depends on which countries you are looking at?

fridpst · 11/06/2020 23:36

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Annamaria14 · 11/06/2020 23:37

I am always saying this - when there was apartheid in South Africa - ofher countries blocked trade to there.

However, there are many countries wherr abuse of women is at very, very extreme levels, and the rest of the world does absolutely nothing for those women

fridpst · 11/06/2020 23:37

tbh if looking at the UK the rape & sexual assault conviction rate & sentences are a joke

Alsohuman · 11/06/2020 23:38

It’s not perfect, not by a long shot, but it’s a lot better than previous generations had it

I completely disagree. I’m appalled at expectations of young women as a result of porn. At the loss of women’s spaces. I’m in my seventh decade and it seems to me that women are treated with less respect than at any time I can remember. I always wanted a daughter. Now I’m glad I don’t have one.

africansassenach · 11/06/2020 23:39

Racism because it'll still be a thing especially since many on here are so defensive about it

fridpst · 11/06/2020 23:39

Its makes me so angry, we are half the world's population. Why do we have to take the inequality?!

Annamaria14 · 11/06/2020 23:44

@fridpst yes I was inspired by the black lives protest. I hope women get together and have a really good protest. We can do it!

Annamaria14 · 11/06/2020 23:46

@Alsohuman thanks for that, that is interesting.

If you think about it, extreme porn has really been a terrible thing in this generation. Inam just looking at a newspaper. A guy raped a woman. He said he thought it was ok to do because he saw it in porn

fridpst · 11/06/2020 23:47

I would love to wake up & find men had switched with women like in Freaky Friday but not just on the inside. So the majority of world leaders, CEOs etc were women. I really don't think men would like it, even the "good" ones.

fridpst · 11/06/2020 23:48

Id love all women to march & demand change, I don't know why we don't.

Foobydoo · 11/06/2020 23:52

@Xenia

Or voting Labour and the idea socialism was actually something people thought might work!
Well it should work and the reason it doesn't is down to selfisness and greed.
Annamaria14 · 11/06/2020 23:53

@fridpst it is hard to break out of centuries of abuse from men I guess. We have been told we are weak and not importnat so we find it hard to stand up for ourselves on a large scale. We are also constantly told by men that if we stand up for ourselves we are feminist and crazy. Many of us are still afraid of men.

But I think that it will get to a point where women support each other all over the world , and say "enough, no more"

user1471565182 · 11/06/2020 23:58

Oh is Xenophobia still on here?

Annamaria14 · 12/06/2020 00:01

Isn't it interesting that a lady on here on her seventies, said that women are treated much worse now, than when she was young.

I was talking to my grandmother (70s) yesterday about when she was young. She said that men were so respectful and courteous. That they would go courting, and it was all very kind and gentle. My grandad was an absolute gentleman to her.

In this generation, porn has rotted mens brains.

Alsohuman · 12/06/2020 00:08

Excuse me, I’m in my seventh decade, not my 70s. But you’re right, porn has a huge amount to answer for.

Annamaria14 · 12/06/2020 00:10

@alsohuman - I stand corrected!

A lady in her sixties. :)

Dylaninthemovies1 · 12/06/2020 08:05

@Annamaria14. I was actually being very uk centric to be fair: across the world woman’s rights are not universal.

To be honest I don’t pay very much attention to porn: wrapped in my own bubble I guess

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Lynda07 · 12/06/2020 08:27

I am 70 and nearly six months. When I was young single women had great difficulty in getting a mortgage. Even when my husband and I were engaged and trying to buy our first house in the 1970s, only one year of my salary was taken into account. Women and girls earned less than the blokes for the same job. Men at work groped, ogled and made sexual innuendoes, especially to young girls who didn't know how to cope with it. Touching legs and asking if you were wearing stockings or tights. There was porn too, not so varied or accessible as now but it did exist; I remember being shown a photograph by a man at work when I was a teenager. At first I didn't know what it was and when I realised, I felt sick. He thought my reaction was funny.

Yes there were 'nice' chaps who behaved like gentleman and there still are but there were many who were not. When married, most expected their wives to do everything in the house and most of the child care. It was easier for professional women who earned a lot, they obviously had more power and could afford help but the average nurse or secretary couldn't. Police never wanted to get involved with a 'domestic'.

On the whole, things are better now for women - and for children who have a voice and are listened to. We still have a way to go but we're getting there.

Wecandothis99 · 12/06/2020 08:30

Eating meat, I say that as a meat eater

WhatWouldYouDoWhatWouldJesusDo · 12/06/2020 08:30

Some men may well have been kinder in ye days of yore but a lot also got away with abusing women and children whilst society turned a blind eye.

Sexual touching was an expected part of a night out, rape in marriage was legal......rape in general either wasn't reported as the victims were too ashamed or they wouldn't be believed (( still happens sadly but not to the same extent. ))

Unmarried mothers were treated like filth and their babies taken away if the man refused to marry as was the norm.

Women do t have it perfect these days but we have as voice. Things are so much better than they were in previous years.

WhatWouldYouDoWhatWouldJesusDo · 12/06/2020 08:37

I think it's all too easy to be tricked into thinking that men are far worse now because things are reported in the media so much.

They aren't, the only difference is 50 years ago those crimes wouldn't even have made the side articles in the local rag..........that's if by some miracle they'd have gone to court.

There was a case in my local paper recently where a man (( in his 60s )) had learnt over, grabbed a bar woman's breasts and made a honking noise. She took it to court and he now has a sexual assault conviction.........many people thought it was OTT. Mainly the older generation it has to be said........people of my age and younger were appalled. Because our generation are fighting back. And we won't stand for that sort of nonsense.

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