To think that Emma Watson is no feminist

[HermioneWeasley]

So after JKR published her incredibly powerful essay and disclosed being a survivor of domestic abuse and sexual violence, Emma decides to tweet that trans women are women. Emma doesn’t condemn the misogynist abuse and threats of sexual violence that JKR has received, nor is she concerned about the facts JKR has shared of an over 4000% increase in girls being referred to gender clinics, or how autistic girls are disproportionately represented.

What is Emma’s “feminism” for exactly?

YANBU she could have posted in support of the woman who made her career but she chose not to. What a betrayal. She is no feminist. Feminists centre females the clue is in the word FEMinism.

YANBU. A feminist she is not.

It’s pretty obvious JK Rowling was not beating down the trans community. She very clearly said the opposite but that it is harmful to essentially deny science. It’s fucking scary that we are in a society where you cannot believe in basic science. We must understand the problem things that being born a female expose and subject you to. She was simply saying it’s harmful to not appreciate those things. Emma Watson is wrong for perpetuating this as it’s clear to see this is not transphobic to anyone with a rational brain. Why do we live in a society where you have to 1000000% support one thing? Why be so extreme about it that you accuse others of being transphobic and sexist for sitting somewhere in the middle? Isn’t life full of inbetweens? Is it not healthy to understand that people can support the trans gender community without minimising what it means to be born a woman? A healthy balanced view point is usually one made up of differing opinions and seeing the value in them rather than being blinkered and goady because it’s fashionable.

I'm a feminist, and I absolutely would throw another woman under the bus

This is very funny.

Are you confused about what feminism is?
Helpful hint: it doesn't involve throwing other women 'under the bus'.

I think Watson is self-serving and doesn't understand feminism, but you can bet your bottom dollar I won't 'throw her under the bus' if/when she needs feminist support, and nor would I excuse rape, violence and death threats against her with a 'but she asked for it'.

Not ranting at the OP btw in ranting directly to Emma Watson!

I liked the tweet saying Emma was great in Little Menstruators.

The thing is, she's not the best actress (better than me I'm sure but not amazing). I remember watching the Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe near the same time and thinking wow, if only Harry Potter had had a similar level of skilled young actors.

I suspect that if she hadnt been in Harry Potter she'd never have had a career as an adult because its so competitive. However her selling point is also her typecast; she'll always be Emma/Hermione/Right-On-Earnest-Wokester.

Hollywood can only handle feminism and sell it if its the right kind - the man-friendly and man-inclusive version.

It'll be interesting to see how and if her career develops further as she gets older and can't bank on looking like Hermione any more.

@clymene Spot on.

Emma was actually the weak link in Little Menstruators, unfortunately. I found her Meg incredibly spineless.

Me too Melia, her choice of words and particularly timing after JK had released a further statement was very insensitive. As many people have pointed out, she won't ever be stuck in a prison with a fully intact male rapist. She won't ever find herself cornered in a bathroom with someone who wants to 'help' her insert a tampon (as a certain 'wax my balls' person was keen to do). She'll never be in a situation where all her senses are screaming at her that something is wrong but if she acts on them she'll be branded as a bigot, receive rape and death threats and watch her career go down the toilet.

Radcliffe not even mentioning trans men but straight to the penis owners. The hypocrisy of Redmayne. I'd have a lot more respect for these people if they kept it to a short "I disagree with the points she's made but can't approve of the harassment she has received, can you all please stop"

But no. Happy enough to kick the boot in further, bolster the hatred JKR is receiving while they bask in the comments 'stanning' their 'queen' and 'kings', and say not a word about JKR being told to shut up and suck trans cock.

And they know her. They have a relationship with her, and they say nothing about the abuse. As far as I'm concerned they are complicit in that abuse now. She must feel so betrayed

As far as I'm concerned they are complicit in that abuse now

Yes.

If you sit back and watch another women being told to 'suck my girl c*ck' a million times, and say nothing? Complicit.

Not only say nothing, act as though the victim us an aggressor.

Disgusting behaviour. She needs to watch out, they will continue to police her and any infraction will be jumped on.

Your their's now Emma

She's not a feminist - feminists centre the needs of women over the wants of men.

She has an opinion, and feminists will defend her right to have an opinion. That is feminism. But her opinion, itself? Not feminist. Neither is Emma.

f some of those voices are wrong, they need to be educated.

This is chilling.

WRONG??

You think a woman describing her personal history as a victim of domestic abuse and sexual violence as WRONG? She is explaining, from her own lived experience, why single-sex spaces are important for the safety and dignity of women, but she's WRONG and needs to be 're-educated'???

Fuck. Me.

Wokey twaw types always ignore female Transmen in their proclamations! Transmen belong to OUR social circles.

Never forget that!

#year2020 for archivists and future historians.
#Rememberthis

The Guardian framed JKR's survival of abuse as 'a claim'.

People really don't care about abused women. DV is just par for the course. Just something that happens sometimes to those ultra-privileged c*s women. Nothing to take seriously, for heaven's sake!

If a (female) trans man needs advice/support regarding housing, rape, painful periods, racist issues at work, style/fashion questions, questions regarding schooling for children, which hair dye/best clippers to use - we are here.

Where are all the REAL journalists in the UK in 2020?

I wonder if maybe Emma Watson and Daniel Radcliffe personally know a lot of trans women and are desperate not to offend anyone.

"Lots" Doubt it. Numbers are low.

Feminism is about the liberation of women and girls. If it’s about supporting male people to the detriment of women and girls, it’s not feminism. If it’s cheerleading gay and autistic girls to pursue a path that leads to sterility and life long medical risks it’s not feminism.

My ex fiance raped me, more times than I could even count, by coercion, by controlling behaviour, by financial control, by threatening me that if I didn't comply he'd pay for sex & it would be my fault if he, & I, caught a disease. He regularly screamed at me, backed me up against a wall & bellowed in my face until I was shaking with fear. He raised his hand to me several times. He terrified me with his reckless driving, although I suspect it may actually have been quite calculated to deliberately scare me, as he knew it did. But he never hit me & because he wasn't actually physically violent, I was too young & naive to realise what his behaviour really was. I never went to the police or even told anyone until a long, long time after it was over. Only 2 people know anything about it in RL.

My DH has MH issues. Strictly speaking, according to the Women's Aid website, I'm in an abusive relationship. We have significant challenges to deal with anyway, TBH, which doesn't help. He is lovely most of the time but get angry really quickly & blames me for a lot of things, & shouts at me & DD a lot. Proper, proper angry shouting. And he used to occasionally hit DD. I asked him once what he'd think if DD grows up to marry someone who screams at her when he's angry, or frustrated, & who hits her. And he said he'd be really cross & upset. And I pointed out that that's exactly how he treats her, & me, & asked him how she is supposed to know what a proper loving relationship when her only male influence regularly reduces her to tears - and he told me to fuck off (in front of DD) & stormed off. But, I can't leave. He is my carer, & I will probably lose custody of my DD if we split up - I am bedbound some days. I can't risk it. I just try to tell her, as often as I can, that it's not ok for daddy to shout at her, that he's ill & it makes him act in a way that's not ok. And that most men are not like that & that he's sorry. He does apologise, usually. But it always happens again. He's stopped smacking DD, I think I got through to him on that.

I understand why JKR might not have spoken up. There are so many reasons why. Society educates us, from infancy, that women are responsible for the actions of men. It's like a poison. I stand with her.

She is a feminist - there isn't only one version of feminism. She can be a feminist and still hold a different opinion.

Feminists don't throw women under the bus.
That's like saying you support BLM, but dont support people from Pakistan

Being a feminist who is inclusive of transwomen isn't "throwing women under the bus".

Disagreeing with your viewpoint doesn't make me, or Emma Watson, not a feminist. No single person gets to be the gatekeeper of feminism.

Disagreeing with your viewpoint doesn't make me, or Emma Watson, not a feminist. No single person gets to be the gatekeeper of feminism

Understanding women are oppressed due to their biology is the most basic point.

Baby girls are aborted for being girls. Newborn baby girls are thrown on trash heaps.

Which part of that is down to identifying as female. Of you dont get that then you cabt possibly be a feminist.

Of course Emma Watson is a feminist. The gender critical community don't hold exclusive rights on feminism.

She's not a feminist because she's unable to define what women/female means. Which is kind of vital.

She displays very little understanding of the issues involved and comes across like a total handmaiden.