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To think that Emma Watson is no feminist

455 replies

HermioneWeasley · 11/06/2020 08:26

So after JKR published her incredibly powerful essay and disclosed being a survivor of domestic abuse and sexual violence, Emma decides to tweet that trans women are women. Emma doesn’t condemn the misogynist abuse and threats of sexual violence that JKR has received, nor is she concerned about the facts JKR has shared of an over 4000% increase in girls being referred to gender clinics, or how autistic girls are disproportionately represented.

What is Emma’s “feminism” for exactly?

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SecondStarFromTheRight · 11/06/2020 09:10

I've never posted in this topic before but I've lurked. Emma Watson benefited from attending an all girl's school. It's so disappointing she can't see the importance of single sex spaces.

GCAcademic · 11/06/2020 09:14

Has she condemned all the sexually charged commentary and threats towards JKR?

That is the very least she should have done. She’s entitled to her opinion, but she has effectively picked up her pitchfork and joined the mob.

PurpleHoodie · 11/06/2020 09:16

Today 08:54 Dances

#SheForHe

Yes. Emma Watson and other women of her ilk are She's for He's Femme-men-ists as opposed to feminists.

CourtneyLurve · 11/06/2020 09:18

I actually think she means well (she gives a lot of her time to causes), but she's the same as the rest - a rich white person who has never had to struggle, never had to support herself, never been exposed to sex-based oppression because she lives in a privileged bubble.

Joanne Rowling couldn't even put her own name on Harry Potter. She had to use her initials because the publisher didn't think boys would buy a book written by a woman!

TwentyViginti · 11/06/2020 09:20

@Clymene

A belief system that centres men's feelings above women's rights to safety, dignity and privacy is not feminism. I don't know what you want to call it (simperingism? Coolgirlism? Wokeism?) but it sure as shit isn't feminism
I rather like simperingism for what EW does on Twitter
wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 11/06/2020 09:27

YANBU. She's a twit.

AbsintheFriends · 11/06/2020 09:27

She is a feminist - there isn't only one version of feminism. She can be a feminist and still hold a different opinion

Does the same apply to racism? So, if I start a sentence by saying 'I'm not a racist, but...' and then say that black people should be kinder to white people who tell them what they're allowed to talk about and how they can describe themselves, that's OK?

BankofNook · 11/06/2020 09:30

I was annoyed at Redmayne and Radcliffe lining up to bite the hand that fed them, and now Watson too.

I will March alongside trans men and trans women to help them secure their rights to live free from prejudice. I will support whatever campaigns they are running to get access to trans only safe spaces for themselves. I don't believe anyone should be at risk of harm or violence for trying to be true to themselves. BUT I will not sacrifice my rights, my access to women only safe spaces, and my safety in order to provide that.

I used to be neutral on the whole issue, live and let live and a solution will be reached soon, but now any more. I'm seeing more and more of the unpleasant actions predominantly from one side of the debate where born men/trans women encourage hate against born women for daring to speak out. They use every ounce of the male privilege - privilege that they were born with, raised with, socialised to have - to suppress the voices of women and to encourage violence against them. It is not hate speech to speak out against the erasure of your rights but it is hate speech to threaten "cancellation", violence, and rape for those who do.

Haffiana · 11/06/2020 09:30

She's a feminist, she's gets to decide what that means just like I get to, you can't gatekeep feminism because you don't agree with someone elses personal beliefs.

It is becoming very clear that someone has to gatekeep feminism or else it will also be redefined in just the way that 'woman' is being redefined. Redefined by those that are not actually women.

No actual feminist would let that happen on their watch.

Melia100 · 11/06/2020 09:31

I think she is feminist-lite, with a very shallow understanding of what feminism actually is.

I have a very poor opinion of the fact that she has not condemned the misogynistic abuse JKR is copping atm.

TinyPigeon · 11/06/2020 09:32

Well done Emma Smile

theonlywayisapple · 11/06/2020 09:33

So she’s not a Feminist because she doesn’t think like you. Ok then.

This is why I’ve hidden the feminism topics

Dances · 11/06/2020 09:39

But words mean things apple. You don't get to be a feminist when you prioritise males

Words mean things.

Go back to hiding words that you don't like the meaning of

SarahTancredi · 11/06/2020 09:42

Yanbu

You have to at least see women as human as opposed to some kind of essence that floats around inhabiting bodies and making itself known with lipgloss and a gold lame purse.

PurpleHoodie · 11/06/2020 09:44

Excellent choice apple.

Leave it for the adults. Women and men who can discuss without distraction.

doublehalo · 11/06/2020 09:45

She's a feminist, she's gets to decide what that means just like I get to....

No actually, people do not get to decide for themselves what various words mean. We hold collective knowledge of the meaning of words.

For instance a stone is not a woman, a bus is not a woman, only an adult human female is a woman. It's very simple really. Even small children can learn.

Mrskeats · 11/06/2020 09:45

This thread undermines the problem.
People think words don't mean anything.
Emma Watson is not a feminist.
She doesn't support women. Feminism centres women not people who feel they may be women.

Mrskeats · 11/06/2020 09:45

*underlines

Graffitiqueen · 11/06/2020 09:46

YANBU, shes just protecting her own career.

Rockbird · 11/06/2020 09:46

@FlamingFircones Hear fucking hear! It's very simple really.

fuckinghellthisshit · 11/06/2020 09:52

JK Rowling is a middle aged woman with significant life experience. The cast of Harry Potter have all lived bizarre cosseted lives removed from reality. JK has experience domestic violence and poverty and can identify with the issues that TWAW causes - ie male predators accessing vulnerable women. The cast of Harry Potter, with their arrested social development have no empathy as they cannot imagine life on an NHS mental health ward or in a women's prison.

"Let them eat cake" for 2020. Wake up wokeys your hatred of the poor and vulnerable is showing again.

NightmareOn · 11/06/2020 09:57

She is not a feminist at all

Fluffybutter · 11/06/2020 09:58

She’s a dick , a clueless one at that .
I always stood up for her in comments sections but this takes the piss .
She’s fucking deluded

SomewhereInbetween1 · 11/06/2020 10:00

I'm a feminist, and I absolutely would throw another woman under the bus if she was spouting shit. Feminism isn't supporting women blindly, it's supporting marginalised voices to reach the top, but if some of those voices are wrong, they need to be educated.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 11/06/2020 10:02

She wants acting roles and to secure her future in her profession.

She's judged that woke Hollywood is a more beneficial ally to keep onside than the author of the source text for a spent film franchise that's now yesterday's project.