To think that Emma Watson is no feminist

[HermioneWeasley]

So after JKR published her incredibly powerful essay and disclosed being a survivor of domestic abuse and sexual violence, Emma decides to tweet that trans women are women. Emma doesn’t condemn the misogynist abuse and threats of sexual violence that JKR has received, nor is she concerned about the facts JKR has shared of an over 4000% increase in girls being referred to gender clinics, or how autistic girls are disproportionately represented.

What is Emma’s “feminism” for exactly?

They know what I said.

Just putting it in plain english makes it seem far more serious and a violation of womens privacy and exposes the fact that it is indeed sexual harassment. It stops the Male bodied people looking like the victim which is the one key point used to make all this happen. Remove that and show it for what it is and people are less sympathetic

I said the post suggesting that all transwomen sexually harass women suggests that and I was pointing out that was wrong

Ive missed this post...or is it supposed to be sarahs post at 15:23?

I think so Rufus. It's quite the leap, isn't it.

I agree that nobody should be forced into sharing any space. There should be options available for everyone, even if thats private cubicles for those who don't want to share. I don't think the answer is disregarding transwomens right to be referred to as a woman. There should be a middle ground, not one extreme or the other.

Private spaces were offered before though. That was the first suggestion .

Wasnt good enough though. That's why we are where we are.

We all absolutely support the right to a safe place to change etc and the right to present how they want without fear of violence etc .

In fact now schools are being told that if girls object they should change elsewhere and that under no circumstances should the trans pupils be expected to change on a separate space. That's literally how schools are being trained and girls suck it up or squeeze in a cupboard some where

The female at the centre of Emma Watson’s Feminism is Emma Watson. That’s as far as she can see from her privileged bubble. Shallow.
I am completely unsurprised at her thoughtlessness.

@GreytExpectations

I agree that nobody should be forced into sharing any space. There should be options available for everyone, even if thats private cubicles for those who don't want to share. I don't think the answer is disregarding transwomens right to be referred to as a woman. There should be a middle ground, not one extreme or the other.

People do not have the right to be referred to as whatever they want in order to access whatever they want.

I as a British person do not have the right to declare myself to feel American and thus get a USA passport and have nobody mention my odd accent.

I do not have the right to declare myself disabled and get a blue badge so I can use accessible parking.

I do not have the right to declare myself 65 years old, get my birth certificate changed and draw my pension.

Desires are not rights.

Even when the desires are male desires.

Even when they are male desires to appropriate something from women.

She's not a feminist. I agree with a PP, she never has been. She has always pedalled a particular kind of 'women's rights' that panders to rather than challenges the patriarchy.

She works in film. She's not going to fight the patriarchy.

FFS look what Weinstein could get away with on a huge scale until very recently.

If she stood up to the patriarchy her career would be over.

I think Emma Watson is a 'fashionable feminist'. She's a feminist when it's trending or when it suits her to be one.

If she were a true feminist she would have spoken in defence of JKR when she received a torrent of vile misogyny.

She also would have never accepted the role of Belle in Beauty and the Beast.

TorkTork

SisyphusAndTheRockOfUntidiness

I'm so sorry. I hope things improve.

@MagicKingdomDizzy

I think Emma Watson is a 'fashionable feminist'. She's a feminist when it's trending or when it suits her to be one.

If she were a true feminist she would have spoken in defence of JKR when she received a torrent of vile misogyny.

She also would have never accepted the role of Belle in Beauty and the Beast.

But...but...she refused to wear a corset! Ok, she didn't refuse to gain five stone or request that the role go to a fatter or more average looking young actress who might actually be able to sing or perform but...corsets! Crappy re-imaginings of dresses that were fuck ugly the first time round too! What's that other film she was in? Little People Who Menstruate?

Isn't it interesting that feminism is the only ideology that is not permitted to draw any boundaries or define itself. It reminds me of something else. I wonder what the connection is.

A feminist is someone who identifies as a feminist.

Emma Watson is most definitely a Menamist.

Indian and Pakistani rural villages have started to build separate toilet blocks so little girls don't get raped whilst taking a pee in mixed-sex locations.

A young girl was sexually assaulted in a UK supermarket womens toilet by a man saying he was a woman so it was his 'right to be there.'

Emma Watson is a Menamist because she wants boys and men to have access to these spaces.

She KNOWS girls will be sexually assaulted and preyed upon as a result - in increasing numbers. Because it is already happening all round the world.

She's a Menamist, not a Feminist.

Thought she was intelligent. Disappointing.

Clesna

Yes. Boundaries are very important. Also called Safeguarding in certain circumstances.

What with all this 'I get to define this, you don't get to define that, this word means whatever I want it to mean' horseshit?!

Words have meaning for fucks sake!

@Clesna

Isn't it interesting that feminism is the only ideology that is not permitted to draw any boundaries or define itself. It reminds me of something else. I wonder what the connection is.

A feminist is someone who identifies as a feminist.

I find it interesting that this is the only issue for which, even within feminist circles, it's completely acceptable to discredit and shut someone down by calling them a feminist, a radical one even. Why is that, I wonder.

So just to clarify people disagree with Emma Watson because she supports trans rights and equality?

Nope.

I disagree with her because JK Rowling took the time to write about her thoughts about why single sex spaces for women are important, including details of her own abuse, both online and within relationships. And Watson replied with a tweet that she knew would appease the very people hurling abuse at JKR, and didn't even bother to condemn the threats of rape and violence that had been thrown at JKR.

I'm also not sure what rights everyone has currently that trans people do not have though so if you could clarify, that would be great.

Indeed. What rights do trans people not have?

No one ever answers that question.

Nor adresses the point that they are asking for rights no one else has. The right to change facts on birth certificates. The right to force people to pretend they dont see what they really see. And the right to force people to undress infront of members of the opposite sex without their consent.

Surely those are rights no one should have?

GreyT

Are you seriously suggesting that Emma posting about trans rights directly after JKR had released her essay was just some sort of crazy coincidence?

Or perhaps a response to the essay? In which case she has very publicly completely ignored a woman’s account of DV and sexual assault.

Doesn’t sound much like feminism to me 🤷🏻‍♀️

She's a feminist, she's gets to decide what that means just like I get to

Nooooo you don't

"She's a vegan. She gets to decide what that means. Her veganism is inclusive of meat."

"He's a Buddhist. He gets to decide what that means. His Buddhism includes stomping on kittens."

"I'm an environmentalist. I get to decide what that means. My environmentalism is inclusive of gas-guzzlers and weekly flights on my private jet."

WORDS HAVE MEANINGS