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To think that Emma Watson is no feminist

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HermioneWeasley · 11/06/2020 08:26

So after JKR published her incredibly powerful essay and disclosed being a survivor of domestic abuse and sexual violence, Emma decides to tweet that trans women are women. Emma doesn’t condemn the misogynist abuse and threats of sexual violence that JKR has received, nor is she concerned about the facts JKR has shared of an over 4000% increase in girls being referred to gender clinics, or how autistic girls are disproportionately represented.

What is Emma’s “feminism” for exactly?

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bellinisurge · 12/08/2020 18:37

Exactly, third space or men need to be less threatening to people who don't fit the Tesco Florence and Fred idea of what men and women look like.

KingFredsTache · 12/08/2020 18:39

Many dread using the toilet. Where are their safe spaces? Trans women are also at risk.

Well quite, where are there safe spaces? Why arent transpeople campaigning for third spaces? Why do women have to move over and make room (once again) because men can't cope with gender non-conforming males in their spaces without assaulting them?

Look, plenty of men assault women - they don't need the excuse of pretending to be women in order to do it!

Look ladies, men are gonna rape you anyway, so we might as well just remove all safeguarding by essentially making women's spaces mixed sex, and you're just going to have to suck it up I'm afraid.

Great, thanks Hmm

KingFredsTache · 12/08/2020 18:42

Maybe we should ask the victims of Katie Dolatowski (another 'not a real transwoman') what toilet they feel safe using?

Vivi0 · 12/08/2020 19:29

Yeah, men needing to change their attitudes/be less abusive is definitely the solution.

Now we can solve racism by saying racists need to stop being racist.

I don’t know why no one has ever considered that before!

SecretSpAD · 12/08/2020 19:29

Presumably you also subscribe to the theory that women who donegive birth aren't real women too?

Well, actually as a woman who hasn't given birth I've had that insult levelled at me several times in my life from both sexes. However, the biological fact remains that I was born with female reproductive organs and am therefore a woman. My husband was born with male reproductive organs and is therefore biologically male.

Fiddle about with gender all you want, but none of us can escape biology. Therefore we cannot escape the discrimination that our female biology makes us susceptible to.

KilljoysDutch · 12/08/2020 19:30

You can find someone who is dangerous to others to fit which ever mould you need for that day, Gayle Newland for example pretended to be a man to repeatedly sexually assault another young woman but this doesn't mean women need to be banned from bathrooms because they might assault other women.

What about FTM transpeople using the male bathroom? Is this okay because the only worry is about "natural" women being attacked? If you are going to use it as a defence and claim you're not transphobic then maybe you should be worried about the young FTM transperson using the male bathroom and the risks that must bring.

KilljoysDutch · 12/08/2020 19:31

@SecretSpAD

Presumably you also subscribe to the theory that women who donegive birth aren't real women too?

Well, actually as a woman who hasn't given birth I've had that insult levelled at me several times in my life from both sexes. However, the biological fact remains that I was born with female reproductive organs and am therefore a woman. My husband was born with male reproductive organs and is therefore biologically male.

Fiddle about with gender all you want, but none of us can escape biology. Therefore we cannot escape the discrimination that our female biology makes us susceptible to.

What about people who are born without a womb or ovaries? What about intersex people do they just not exist then?
ShebaShimmyShake · 12/08/2020 19:38

Female: egg producing reproductive sex class. Male: sperm producing reproductive sex class.

bellinisurge · 12/08/2020 19:40

Intersex issues are not trans issues. Stop pretending that they are. And stop pretending that anyone who is gender critical thinks that only women who give birth are women. Nasty childish shit that shows an increasing desperation.

KingFredsTache · 12/08/2020 19:48

@Vivi0

Yeah, men needing to change their attitudes/be less abusive is definitely the solution.

Now we can solve racism by saying racists need to stop being racist.

I don’t know why no one has ever considered that before!

Meanwhile it's women's problem to solve I guess. If men aren't going to stop assaulting people who don't conform to their standards of masculinity, then I guess the women will just have to budge up and make room for any male who identifies as a woman.

Always the job of women to 'be kind' and solve everyone's problems isn't it? Same shit different day.

RedDogsBeg · 12/08/2020 19:51

Vivi0 No trans person should be grateful that they have a toilet to use when they are harassed, spat on or verbally or physically abused using that toilet.

Where is your evidential proof of this? Many well known trans women use the male toilets and report no issues whatsoever. Furthermore women are glibly told by TRA's and their supporters (like you) that if anything happens they just have to call the Police, so why can't trans women take their own advice and do just that if they are physically or verbally abused using toilets or changing rooms that align with their sex. After all, if someone can be visited at their work by the Police for merely retweeting a limerick that a TW took offence to the Police would no doubt deploy a full armed response unit if alerted to an incident of physical abuse of a TW.

KingFredsTache · 12/08/2020 19:51

What about people who are born without a womb or ovaries? What about intersex people do they just not exist then?

What has intersex got to do with trans issues?

Humans are classified as a bipedal species. Does that mean that someone who is born with one leg isn't a human then?

Females who were born without a uterus or ovaries are born that way because of a biological anomaly which means their body didn't develop the way it should. It doesn't mean they are not female.

Males who were born without a uterus or ovaries were not born with a biological anomaly, they were born male.

Honestly, the 'what about women who don't have a uterus, are they not women then' shtick is getting really old now.

KingFredsTache · 12/08/2020 19:56

And stop pretending that anyone who is gender critical thinks that only women who give birth are women

It's so disingenuous isn't it, and yes, shows a real desperation of lack of actual argument.

RedDogsBeg · 12/08/2020 20:00

@KingFredsTache

Maybe we should ask the victims of Katie Dolatowski (another 'not a real transwoman') what toilet they feel safe using?
Yes, they always brush over Katie Dolatowski don't they. I would love the trans women are women and safe to be around to stand in front of KD's 10 and 12 year old victims and tell them that.

Why is the safety, privacy and dignity of KD's victims worth so little, why can they not feel safe in a space set aside for their SEX, oh yes, because it's way more important not to upset the KD's of this world by insisting they use the toilet designated for their sex, they must be validated at all costs because they are so oppressed, yada, yada, yada.

SecretSpAD · 12/08/2020 20:09

What about people who are born without a womb or ovaries? What about intersex people do they just not exist then?

That would depend on their genetic make up. XX - female and XY - male. For intersex people then obviously it is more complicated and their genetic make up would be different to both biological males and females. Hence why they are separate to this argument which is about gender and biological men with penises and all the male privilege that comes with that genetic make up telling biological women that they are the same as them. They aren't.

ListeningQuietly · 12/08/2020 20:11

@Vivi0
Please explain for the benefit of us gimmers

What is the definition of a man ?

  • y chromosome ?
  • penis and testicles ?
  • feeling like one ?
  • being allowed to go to Eton ?
Quaagars · 12/08/2020 20:22

for the benefit of us gimmers

Hmm Being old doesn't mean you have to hold strong "GC" views, I'm kind of a gimmer myself but not sure what that has to do with the price of fish. I've heard that nonsense before where people have defended racism - it's a generational thing, they're just old! Er, no.
KingFredsTache · 12/08/2020 20:27

Being old doesn't mean you have to hold strong "GC" views, I'm kind of a gimmer myself but not sure what that has to do with the price of fish.
I've heard that nonsense before where people have defended racism - it's a generational thing, they're just old!

Come on then, what's the definition of a man?

KingFredsTache · 12/08/2020 20:28

And I think it says a lot that you equate people who are concerned with the sex based rights of women, and of children being experimented on with off label drugs, with racists.

ListeningQuietly · 12/08/2020 20:31

Quaggars
I've heard that nonsense before where people have defended racism - it's a generational thing, they're just old!
Race is entirely a human construct
people can be mixed race (eg half Indian half Jamaican)
but they cannot be half female

So
what is a man ?
What makes somebody be a man rather than a woman?

midgebabe · 12/08/2020 21:18

Many claimed Trans rights , such as the rights to be on a woman's sports team, are akin to a white person registering themselves as BAME to access to eg a university access programme targeted at BAME to increase the numbers of BAME at that university,

KingFredsTache · 13/08/2020 08:57

Well, this thread went quiet once the tricky questions started being asked, didn't it?!

RedDogsBeg · 13/08/2020 09:16

@KingFredsTache

Well, this thread went quiet once the tricky questions started being asked, didn't it?!
As always, which is why the 'no debate' was insisted upon, they know the whole ideology falls apart under scrutiny so the TWAW mantra has to be enforced and those who don't close off their critical thinking and ability to see reality and won't mindlessly chant the slogan are deemed heretics and transphobic.
SweetPetrichor · 13/08/2020 09:17

Emma Watson is what a modern feminist should be. She is caring for everyone. JK is an outdated dinosaur running a sob story.

KingFredsTache · 13/08/2020 09:23

Emma Watson is what a modern feminist should be. She is caring for everyone. JK is an outdated dinosaur running a sob story.

Are you going to expand on, or back up that statement, or are you just a plopper?