To think that Emma Watson is no feminist

[HermioneWeasley]

So after JKR published her incredibly powerful essay and disclosed being a survivor of domestic abuse and sexual violence, Emma decides to tweet that trans women are women. Emma doesn’t condemn the misogynist abuse and threats of sexual violence that JKR has received, nor is she concerned about the facts JKR has shared of an over 4000% increase in girls being referred to gender clinics, or how autistic girls are disproportionately represented.

What is Emma’s “feminism” for exactly?

. "I don't think younger people will feel that they are chained to the house because of a lack of female toilets."

So girls missing school when on their periods or getting UTIs because they don't want to go to the school bathroom if someone with a penis (a boy ) is there? That's not real, is it?

you're all awful

@LonelyFromCorona

you're all awful

But you like us ?

I don't give a damn if people think I'm awful.

Ceding the word woman to a powerful group of men is awful. Giving away women's rights in the name of faux progressiveness is awful.

I'm not convinced that in 20 years when EW reaches 50 things will have changed enough to ensure she is a high earning and always working actor if that is what she wants to be. She will always remain privileged but she won't have the same standing she has now. She's not a good enough actor to be highly respected into old age as someone like Judi Dench is. She might realise the point then.

@wrongsideofhistorymyarse

I don't give a damn if people think I'm awful.

Ceding the word woman to a powerful group of men is awful. Giving away women's rights in the name of faux progressiveness is awful.

You can't give away what you never had ....

Tanith Sorry she’s bloody young to me 😁 I don’t agree with her but I am glad she’s free to have an opinion, whether I agree or not. (Sorry if I was patronising). I’m worried that there’s some silencing of young women, old women, just women having concerns.

She's not a good enough actor to be highly respected into old age as someone like Judi Dench is

Meow

She might realise the point then
with a side order of patronising too, noice

I'd say adding men, particularly late transitioning men that have benefitted from male privilege for decades, to a group that is permitted to benefit from hard fought for and sex-based rights intended for women, absolutely dilutes those rights and makes the situation worse.

I disagree because only a very small percentage of people are trans women and they would benefit more from male privilege by staying as a man rather than becoming a trans-woman. It doesn't matter if they've been put on the shortlist they still will be at a disadvantage compared with men. The people ranting about women only spaces and toilets are the ones that will reduce the "hard-won rights" as they are taking the focus away from the real issues with regard to inequalities between men and women.

When I was younger, I saw inequality but it never really impacted me personally.

Then I became a mum and I got walloped by the structural inequality that makes having a career and raising a child so tough.

Then I realised in my personal life I was carrying the mental load.

Finally, I was made redundant and quickly realised that the only part-time jobs available in my area of work were poorly paid. I had these awful conversations with male recruitment consultants who responded with silence when I said I needed flexibility in my next job.

So my feminism became tougher and "be nice" does not play a part in it.

This is just my experience. But I do think feminism changes with age and I know that young women grow older.

@PheasantPlucker1

I disagree more young people believe TWAW.

In my DC school and the one I work in there seems to be a view that gender is "old fashioned" created by the oldies and that people should be allowed to wear what they want, not stick strictly to gender stereotypes.

Im very proud, obviously

I'll bet the majority of girls still wear their hair long though.

Ceding the word woman to a powerful group of men is awful. Giving away women's rights in the name of faux progressiveness is awful.

Anyone would think that women were the ones with the rights and privileges that men were trying to join a great club. It isn't. If anyone wants to join and deal with the disadvantages that go with being a woman they're welcome.

@AskDan

When I was younger, I saw inequality but it never really impacted me personally.

Then I became a mum and I got walloped by the structural inequality that makes having a career and raising a child so tough.

Then I realised in my personal life I was carrying the mental load.

Finally, I was made redundant and quickly realised that the only part-time jobs available in my area of work were poorly paid. I had these awful conversations with male recruitment consultants who responded with silence when I said I needed flexibility in my next job.

So my feminism became tougher and "be nice" does not play a part in it.

This is just my experience. But I do think feminism changes with age and I know that young women grow older.

I agree which is why I find the focus by some so called feminists on female toilets and "women only spaces" unhelpful.

Easy to be nice when your fame and money is derived from the work of someone else.

I think Emma Watson is an ungrateful coward who’d throw anyone under a bus for the sake of her own career.

Anyone would think that women were the ones with the rights and privileges that men were trying to join a great club.hmm It isn't. If anyone wants to join and deal with the disadvantages that go with being a woman they're welcome.

I think that men want to continue to set the rules of the club while remaining quite safe on the outside of it. And that they are overjoyed to have discovered the trans debate and self ID are the perfect tools to allow them to do it. And even more overjoyed that they've found so many real women to help them do it. Trebles all round !!!

What I hope for is a future where more and more people realise that your sex is not affected by your identity, your expression or your behaviour.
But until then, women and girls need to be given space and privileges separate to men, so we can protect ourselves and push for equality and fair treatment.
We can recognise discrimination against people who have a gender identity that doesn't match their sex, and we should rectify that. Trans rights ARE human rights.
But that doesn't mean we should abandon our sex-based rights.

I think that men want to continue to set the rules of the club while remaining quite safe on the outside of it. And that they are overjoyed to have discovered the trans debate and self ID are the perfect tools to allow them to do it. And even more overjoyed that they've found so many real women to help them do it. Trebles all round !!!

I doubt many men could care less.

I doubt many men could care less.

that's all it takes !

mrpumblechook while I agree toilets are not the biggest issue, we do still need to recognise its a problem, and a huge problem.

Without female toilets, I wouldnt be able to work.
My DC wouldnt be able to go to school.

Many females wouldnt.

What did JKR say that's transphobic

This:

I refuse to bow down to a movement that I believe is doing demonstrable harm in seeking to erode ‘woman’ as a political and biological class and offering cover to predators like few before it

There are many other examples, but if you can’t see that from her tweets or essay then I would submit that you are also transphobic.

@Vivi0 So Karen White wasn't a predator using the naivety of the well intentioned as cover?

Right, come on then, on what basis are transwomen women? What makes them women? At what objective point, upon which policy and law can be made, do they go from 'man' to 'woman'?

I'll wait......

@mrpumblechook

How can you believe in equality for men and women, if you can't even define men and women?

If things were truly equal socially, economically and politically would you need to define men and women? Probably not.

Labour believe that transwomen should go on all women's shortlists for running for office. So in theory, you could have all Labour MPs actually male, but it would still be 'equal representation'. Does that sound fair?

I think that theory is extremely unlikely to be reality. Do you really think many men would want to be trans-women just so they can go on a short list? Anyway, the shortlists exist because men are otherwise favoured so it is clearly ultimately more advantageous to stay as a man rather than to become trans-women whether or not you get on a shortlist.

Well, for starters, we are a fair way away from things being totally equal, so yes, I think it's important that men and women are defined properly.

And it doesn't really matter whether that theory will become an actual reality - the point is if you follow the ideology to its conclusion, you could have an entire House of male MPs, but if half of them identify as women then you have 'equality'.

I disagree because only a very small percentage of people are trans women and they would benefit more from male privilege by staying as a man rather than becoming a trans-woman.

Again, woman doesn't mean 'not men'. The fact there are small numbers is completely irrelevant. Would your mind change if suddenly there was a significant increase? Where's the cut off?

Disadvantage in comparison to heterosexual white men is not a tick box you complete in order to become a woman. The fact that transwomen would benefit from male privilege if they remained as 'men' societally doesn't mean they are women or entitled to women's spaces any more than gay men should be allowed in to protect them from homophobia as the disadvantages they face. It also doesn't change the fact that many of them retain male privilege despite transition. Caitlyn Jenner's golf club membership and the rules of primogeniture come to mind. Regardless, why should someone who has worked their way through a career as a man be entitled to take the space of a woman who has not had those advantages simply because that man has now declared himself to identify as a woman? One woman losing out in that situation is too many.

Women's sex segregation is to protect and preserve the rights of females, it is not there as a catch all for people that otherwise face discrimination at the hands of men.