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To want my DH to enjoy the finer things

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Finerthingsplease · 06/06/2020 13:29

Name changed.

I’m getting sick of feeling like I can’t enjoy the finer things in life that I like because my husband doesn’t.

He’s someone who actively enjoys frugality and admits he has a very strong Puritan tendency which seems to be getting worse with age. We have shared finances but I earn 2.5 times more than him. We are very financially comfortable with lots of savings. I’m not extravagant but I feel like he impedes my enjoyment of things and makes me feel guilty for wanting ‘small pleasures’.

Examples - I would like to buy a few nice wines and do a mini tasting session in lockdown. He says no, I don’t like drinking any more (a new thing, related to increasingly puritanism) and £60 on wine is ridiculous.

I make some nice, different recipes. He happily eats them and says they are nice but I know he would be even happier with fish fingers and beans ( he likes toddler food).

I buy flowers for the house (£5ish from supermarket). He sees that as a total waste of money and doesn’t understand why they could be pleasurable.

We go to nice restaurants (not during lockdown obviously). We have a good time and enjoy it but he would genuinely be equally happy with a takeaway pizza.

I just don’t see the point in working if we can’t do some nice things. He never, ever stops me buying anything but his attitude just taints every nice thing I do for myself or us. AIBU? Will he ever be persuaded to change?

OP posts:
AllIMissNowIsTheSea · 07/06/2020 13:20

ArtieFufkinPolymerRecords

4% of 100k is 4 thousand not 400!

AllIMissNowIsTheSea · 07/06/2020 13:29

I think that both spouses are being unreasonable.

He should not begrudge the OP spending money she can afford on things which make her happy. That is incredibly unreasonable. He is compelled or gets pleasure from saving, or feels unsafe if he can't safe - we don't know which, but if he wants to save and there is money to save it is unreasonable not to save some of the household income as a safety net/ for retirement etc. They have plenty of savings and it is not irresponsible to spend - he should not begrudge her spending on things which make her happy, you can't take it with you etc.

A balance should be found and neither should begrudge the other their priority.

Bloody hell though insisting he has to do the things she enjoys with her and enjoy them despite the fact he has never enjoyed them is just as controlling as wincing at her spending but not saying anything!

Both partners are trying to control one another by expressing disapproval of the other through facial expressions and body language without stepping over the line and actually blocking the other's access to money or "forbidding" the other from indulging their financial priority.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras is sport on with her football analogy - if there's money for a season ticket and no childcare responsibilities, time is in abundance etc. then it would be controlling to forbid the football fan partner to buy a season ticket to go with their mates, but equally it would be just as controlling of the football fan to insist the non football fan goes to every match, puts on their happy face, yells, cheers and genuinely thoroughly enjoys it despite the fact they never have had the remotest interest in football, or spectator sport, or crowds, or being outdoors, and they'd actually rather be at home knitting!

TheSmallClangerWhistlesAgain · 07/06/2020 13:44

I have nothing hugely useful to add to this, but my mum and dad are like you and your DH. A good chunk of their problem is that they aren't good at communicating their likes and dislikes to each other. They'll just say "okay, I'm not bothered" then silently fume. Mum more so than Dad - Dad's trick is strategic headaches and stomach upsets when he's really had enough and should have just said so at the beginning. Mum has turned fuming into an art form.

Finerthingsplease1 · 07/06/2020 14:33

The 4% is of net take home pay so the calculation was correct that it's a few hundred pounds.

I am not talking about different hobbies though- we both have them and let the other get on with them quite happily/are supportive etc.

I'm talking about small things which make life nicer - food, wine, flowers, the odd treat. I'm talking about living with someone who is sneers at that and therefore sucks the enjoyment out of them.

I clearly let him save and track the spending. I'm grateful for how much he has saved and enjoy that he does it and not me! But it has now extended to every little thing and got worse.

Ninkanink · 07/06/2020 14:51

There are only two options, sadly:

Accept that he is not ever going to come around to your way of thinking on this, stop expecting him to engage with you in a way that would solve this, and get used to the fact that you will need to find enjoyment in this way by yourself. Disengage completely. Don’t cook lovely food for him, don’t ask his permission to enjoy it, and don’t let him spoil it for you.

Or,

Leave him and find someone on your wavelength.

AllIMissNowIsTheSea · 07/06/2020 14:58

Finerthingsplease1 you are asking if you are unreasonable to want him to enjoy the things you enjoy. He never has so you are asking him to become an incredibly good actor or to become someone he has never been. I understaand you say he has become more extreme, but he has never been the person you now want him to be, from what you write. So you are unreasonable.

He's unreasonable too for spoiling your enjoyment, but you are unreasonable for asking him to become a person he has never been.

You're like the parents of teens who complain that their young teen spoiled their long weekend in Paris spent exclusively walking around art galleries because although they didn't actually complain or demand to be taken to Disneyland/ allowed to stay at home they failed to look happy and appreciate the art.

copycopypaste · 07/06/2020 15:02

There's a few things that stand out to me, he controls the savings/finances, are you sure you know what's going on with this. Admire you happy everything you both earn are going into a joint savings account. Is he squirrelling away some into a private account?

Secondly, he's not going to change. You can either do your fun things without him and with friends. OR you could downgrade your job, go part time and reduce your job hours and stress, maybe take early part time retirement, you can afford to do this if you're financially secure. There's no need for your high earning job.

BacklashStarts · 07/06/2020 15:05

We share everything but a year or so ago we decided to have an allowance each for fun, frivolous stuff and to buy each other presents. He doesn’t spend his except for my birthday and Christmas. So his actually goes in our savings, whereas I spend all of mine, mainly on haircuts, clothes, books, nice things for me.

Is this part of the issue - clothes and haircuts aren’t luxuries, why would these not be standard purchases? Have the pair of you got into a mindset where more than the bear minimum is extravagant?

Either way, once you’ve spoken to him you have two choices - go with his way and resent him or work on getting his frugality out of his head. He wants to save his 4% gives him pleasure - fine. That’s his choice but you shouldn’t feel any guilt - he is getting his pleasure from saving good for him. You get yours from other things. They are equally valid.

Pull him up on his mood hoovering every time. Every single time. ‘I don’t find that funny - I put effort into this.’ ‘I think this is lovely’ ‘mum and me were enjoying this why are you trying to rain on that’

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 07/06/2020 15:14

Is this part of the issue - clothes and haircuts aren’t luxuries, why would these not be standard purchases

Surely there's a scale though where these things become luxuries?

I could buy a pair of shoes in Clarks for £70 or a pair of Louboutins for £hundreds.

I could get my hair done in the salon up the road for £50 or a top London Salon for £500.

I'd consider £500haircuts and Louboutin shoes a luxury version of an everyday necessity.

Ninkanink · 07/06/2020 15:14

I can give you a similar example from my relationship.

For quite a few years I expected my DH to do certain ‘couply’ things with me - visits to new places, a day trip to a town or city, going out and about and just seeing and experiencing new things. It never worked out very well - it’s likely that he’s got very high-functioning ASD and he just cannot stand crowds and loud noises and too much stimulation, he feels ill and gets stressed and I get stressed too because I’m trying to manage his reactions. We had a big bust up about a year ago after a day out that got very heated and very upsetting for both of us.

After a few days of really suffering (we both hate it when we argue and it takes a while to come back from it) we had a good long talk and both spoke in depth about our relevant perspectives (we’d talked about it before but only skirting over it, really) and came to an understanding of what we each wanted and needed from each other. He suggested that I go out by myself, on a trip to one of my favourite cities, and the very next day, that’s what I did.

The difference was palpable. Omg. I could walk, and think, and take things in, without feeling stressed. I noticed something that I’d pretty much forgotten - that I absolutely love hustle and bustle, the buzz of crowds and even the discordance of music from various points. It doesn’t bother me, in fact it feeds my soul in a way that not much else does. But it was extremely unfair of me to expect that all these things should automatically be pleasurable for my DH, too. They’re not, in fact they’re very difficult for him to endure. And I hadn’t fully appreciated that.

I loved all of it. I loved sitting for an hour or so having lunch and reading my book at an outside table, and people watching, I loved travelling in on the train, and travelling back and having a gin & tonic to round off the day. And I loved it all so much because I was doing it by myself.

So I’ve accepted that this one thing is something I’m going to have to do on my own. We do lots of other ‘couply’ things together.

The big difference, though, is that he doesn’t bring me down by being mean or miserly or self-righteous. He is generous, and always wants me to be happy. He wouldn’t ever want to rob of me of joy. If I told him (and I have) that what he’s doing is making me sad and taking pleasure out of my lovely life, he’d listen, take note, and try not to do it.

He saves, he is very financially astute and he doesn’t have much of an appetite for stuff. So he’s very different to me - I, like you, definitely appreciate the finer things in life and am a bit of a magpie. I love good food and wine (luckily he’s with me on that otherwise I’d never have ended up with him!), I adore collecting pretty things and I don’t believe in denying myself or depriving myself unnecessarily- as far as I’m concerned I’m alive now and I want to enjoy myself to the full. I appreciate that there’s a good balance in our relationship, he’s the saver and the one who pulls me back from being too silly. But he’d never, ever try to police what I can get enjoyment out of, nor within reason, what I spend on. Our relationship works well in all aspects because we are equals.

Rtruth · 07/06/2020 17:29

If you’d like to cook and share wine, I’d bite your hand off.

Sounds like maybe over time he’s changed too much.

BubblesBuddy · 07/06/2020 17:36

Ninkanink: surely the problem the op has is that DH doesn’t enjoy decent food and wine but she married him for other reasons. Now the basic little treats still cannot be enjoyed but it’s getting more obvious and worse.

I totally enjoy days on my own. DH plays golf. We can enjoy things separately but we do other things together and I wouldn’t want someone who couldn’t enjoy a better than average meal together and is disapproving of flowers. It’s just petty to be so inflexible.

Olsi109 · 07/06/2020 17:44

Finances And spending are a big thing - and I believe it’s something life partners should have a similar view on. I am much like you, and since you are the main earner I would want to be able to spend if I wish so long as it would cause no financial difficulty which the things you have said wouldn’t. If I had a partner scrutinising everything I bought and having a dig At such minor things I’d be buying a separate house - and a divorce.

Ninkanink · 07/06/2020 17:47

My story was to illustrate that a difference of wavelength on some things is fine, if you’re happy doing those things separately, and if there are plenty of other things that you can enjoy together. And if you are equals in all aspects and there’s not a dynamic where he sets himself up to be in charge and she falls in line.

I’ve already said that in OPs situation there are only two options:

Accept that she will have to enjoy these things by herself, endeavour to detach from the expectation that he’s going to be different (He’s not), and learn not to be affected by his downers.

Or,

Leave him and free herself to a) enjoy life on her terms, and b) possibly find someone on her own wavelength to enjoy life with.

Rosenspants · 07/06/2020 18:04

I don’t think not enjoying something like fine food and wine On occasion, or a bunch of flowers, gives anyone carte blanch to spoil it for someone who does enjoy it. The whole point of many PPs responses is that acceptance of differences in what we like and don’t like is inevitable. But OPs DH is going further inasmuch as he’s making her feel unhappy/guilty about things she enjoys whether she does them alone or tries to include him. I think there was a saying about this.... being a dog in a manger?

Ninkanink · 07/06/2020 18:08

Yes, exactly. He’s free to live as spartan a lifestyle as he wants, and to save his own personal money as he wishes.

He has absolutely no right to wilfully rob OP of enjoyment and purposely and continuously put a downer on things she enjoys. Nor should she be allowing him to moan at her about perfectly reasonable spending.

Cornishclio · 07/06/2020 18:33

Find a friend to enjoy these things with or do a wine tasting holiday on your own or with a friend. My DH and I both like nice restaurants, holidays etc but he hates walking and I love it and he loves train modelling at home and I get itchy feet so I go out walking on my own or with an organised group (pre lockdown of course). No reason you both have to do everything together. Just make sure you do spend time together doing something you both enjoy. Free museum or national trust place?

Localocal · 07/06/2020 18:47

I think it sounds like you need to have a conversation about meeting in the middle on spending.There is nothing wrong with you or him, but if your relationship is going to last you are going to have to find a halfway point where you are both comfortable.

Mmpip · 07/06/2020 18:50

Oh God I could feel the joy being sucked out of me just reading about him. What a miserable fucker....

BubblesBuddy · 07/06/2020 18:50

I don’t find it easy to find friends to enjoy things with. I’m a bit niche! It’s really not that simple. I’m happy doing some things on my own without comment or having a begrudging husband along but in some cases I wouldn’t be able to find a friend. They simply don’t enjoy what I do (and luckily , we do) and they wouldn’t have the money. We very much reduce our enjoyment of excellent restaurants so we can HK our with friends. I think, op, you could try this. Four or six of you go out for a meal?

Fudgemonkeys · 07/06/2020 18:52

Do you have anything in common? Doesn't seem to be what you enjoy.

BubblesBuddy · 07/06/2020 19:03

Go out with our friends !

We compromise. Everyone has to but not over little things that don’t make 1/2p worth of difference.

Rachand23 · 07/06/2020 19:21

Divorce time

YaasssQueen · 07/06/2020 19:25

I thibk i was a bit like your DH when i was married. Not quite as bad though, I did enjoy some of the nice things too. However I found myself turning away from them because it felt that the family took a back seat to these "finer" things that he was so interested in. For me his priorities were totally fucked up, which is a massive part of why we split up.

Not saying that this is you btw!

glennamy · 07/06/2020 19:27

You married him, you knew what he was like... Also, it does not matter who earns the most, does it? When a Man earns x amount of money more than the Woman the Women on MN scream it's a partnership not who earns the most etc... So cut that BS out of it straight away!

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